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• Interview with HeyJulien, Football RPF and Carraville writer

  Summary: Like a bicycle kick goal at minute 95, Sara finally completes editing on a much overdue interview with fellow Carraville author HeyJulien !  Sara and Julien talk about the world of football RPF (as in soccer, for all you Yankees); specifically the delightfully odd-couple rivals-to-lovers ship of English football pundits Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher. Other talking points scattered across the pitch include: football as war, derby days and football rivalry; the joys of local non-league football, the Bundesliga and fußballkultur; to switch POV, or not to switch POV; the annoying beauty of David Beckham; and of course, we discuss the tragically under-utilized in fic friendship of Paul Scholes and Gary Neville (or, Scholesy as the Kermit to Gary Neville’s Miss Piggy).  Join us, if you like! Correction - at 03:27:40 we incorrectly refer to our wonderful fellow Carraville author as ‘player1604’-- their handle is player1064, which is a reference to Gary Neville’s England legacy number. Gary was the 1,064th player to play for England’s National Team.    Contact and Credits: Intro Theme: Kyle Laurin "Oasis Supersonic Theme" (Twitter: @cobrakylemusic) Tumblr: talkinfanfic.tumblr.com  Instagram: @talkinfanfic Email: [email protected]    Time caps: 00:10:39 - Chelsea v Liverpool result in the Carabao Cup Final AND “Football and Butts” 00:13:17 minutes - Picking an English team as an outside fan, local rivalry in sport, and the mechanisms of tribalism 00:21:10 - Football pride as a substitute for national pride in Germany 00:22:57 - League structure in european football, the purity of the local club, financial doping, and German “fußballkultur” 00:32:57 - A late introduction to HeyJulien ! Julien’s earliest reading and writing memories. 00:36:36 - First encounter with fanfiction and Youtuber RPF 00:42:11 - Path into Sports RPF 00:45:28 - The specific allure of Hockey RPF 00:53:54 - Getting into Football RPF and Carraville 01:11:07 - Carraville fic, start of “Zombies” discussion, and Julien’s real-life plot inspiration 01:20:04 - Excerpt 1, from “Zombies”  01:39:12 - Strategy and instinct of switching POV’s  01:59:50 - “The Victorian Era”  02:06:13 - Excerpt 2, from “The Victorian Era” (apologies from Sara for the botched English accents) 02:23:17 - Cat cameo by Daniel Pickles - and the theme of power in “The Victorian Era”, Gary and Victoria’s friendship, and writing moments that “show” instead of “tell”.  02:32:27 - The fun of writing about “bad people”, and recurring themes popping up in our works; AND the specific joys of fanfiction enriching “real life” 02:40:36 - “Tasting Syrup On My Tongue” 02:50:45 - The joy of Stevie G and Scholsey in Carraville fics 03:00:46 - Sara’s childhood soccer experience 03:02:49- Rapid Fire Questions!!!  03:17:21 - Michael Owen Quotes 03:31:00 - Coffee Shop Scenario 03:37:32 - Julien’s fic recs 03:43:11 - Final question- “What do you think it is about sport that lends itself to fiction and fanfiction?” Episode References FIC - ‘These zombies in the park, they're looking for my heart’ by HeyJulien  FIC - 'The Victorian Era' by HeyJulien  FIC - ‘Tasting Syrup On My Tongue’ by HeyJulien https://www.fanfiktion.de/ - Julien’s first fanfic site! CBS Champions League Today "Best Of" - Youtube video, example of CBS crew compilation, ft. Jamie Carragher, Micah Richards, Thierry Henry, and Kate Abdo "Gary Neville & Jamie Carragher's BEST moments! 👀🍿"   - Youtube video that Julien sent Sara to kick off the Carraville spiral Gary Neville’s interview with Jamie Carragher on The Overlap - Youtube "Neville and Carra - the perfect TV double act make their Monday Night Football debut" - Daily Mail article from August 2013, describing Jamie’s MNF debut alongside Gary.  And another 2013 article, this one from Stretty News on the Carraville punditry duo, described as “a dream pair”.  ‘Tasting Syrup’ reference - Footage of John Terry head injury  in the 2007 League Cup Final, Chelsea v Arsenal - Youtube ‘Tasting Syrup’ reference - Footage of Jamie Carragher head injury in a match against Arsenal in April 2011 Fanart - Man United v Liverpool lineup as envisioned by the genius k-ky - tumblr link Article - "Bastian Schweinsteiger dragged the modern Germany to ultimate glory with blood, sweat and tears" - on Schweinsteiger’s heroic and gritty performance in the 2014 World Cup Final (October 2019)   Some more brilliant Michael Owen quotes (unverified but highly entertaining) Julien rec - Sara's fic, [the gap between crack and thunder] WIP!  Julien rec - Take a Chance on Me by saltstreets, yvenger (Ao3, locked) Julien rec - keep your silver, give me that gold by thesecretdetectivecollection (Ao3) Julien rec - Gary Neville is Still a Red, Just a Different Shade by fanficburner (Ao3)   Julien rec - Quell the Tide by Imnotreallyhereatall - the hockey RPF julien mentions loving (Ao3, locked)  

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• Talkin’ U2, Bono, and Bedge with Tory from the Retro Fanfic Retrospective Podcast!

  Sara welcomes the great and wonderful Tory, best known for their reliably insightful analysis of fanfiction on the Retro Fanfic Retrospective podcast (found wherever you get your podcasts!) Tory shares their lifelong love affair with the legendary band U2, and their knowledge of the band’s history and music. Tory also digs into the amazing feat of how the band’s joyful, sublime chemistry seeps into the very music they produce, sustaining fruitful artistry for nearly fifty years.  Other topics include: Irish history, and the Christianity of U2, along with comparisons with Oasis. We also talk Bedge and RPF! And we dig into a mini-RFR discussion of likeamadonna’s Bono/Edge fanfiction within a fanfiction, “Fictitious Characters”.  Contact and Credits: Intro Theme: Kyle Laurin "Oasis Supersonic Theme" (Twitter: @cobrakylemusic) Clip used - Noel Gallagher on The Late Late Show | RTÉ One  Outro clip - “Beautiful Day” by U2, from the album ‘All That You Can't Leave Behind’ - pulled from Youtube licensed via UMG (on behalf of Universal-Island Records Ltd. ℗ An Island Records recording; ℗ 2000 Island Records Limited Tumblr: talkinfanfic.tumblr.com  Instagram: @talkinfanfic Email: [email protected]    Time caps: 00:00 - Introduction 06:03 - Start of episode 16:02 - Tory’s music background 24:25 - U2 in bloom right now! 35:06 - A little Irish history  45:19 - The Troubles, a climate for the formation of U2 56:03 - U2’s Bigness, America, and ‘What is Bono??’  01:02:45 - Bono’s useful celebrity, vs individualism of Oasis. Or, “do-gooders” vs “do-badders” 01:08:22 - Bono the Energizer Bunny, and U2 in Vegas 01:13:07 - The other members of U2 (Larry, The Edge, and Adam) 01:20:35 - Christianity and U2 01:31:45 - Religion, U2 vs. Oasis 01:34:50 - Religious imagery in the Achtung Baby-era, and Bono’s ‘characters’ 01:41:42 - U2 fanfiction and RPF fandom 01:51:20 - “Fictitious Characters”, by likeamadonna 02:02:26 - Fitting Ali into the Bono/Edge 02:07:20 - Start of Rapid Fire! (which lasts nearly an hour, lol) 02:12:27 - Tory’s Top 5 U2 Tracks   Episode References U2 Fanfiction.com (Tory mentions they used to read fanfiction from this now defunct archive; link via Wayback Machine)  The Retro Fanfic Retrospective podcast (Podbean, you can also search for it on Spotify or Apple Podcasts) Link - Band bio, from threechordsandthetruth.net great U2 overview and biography U2: The Origins Of The Biggest Band Of The Early 2000s a decent youtube documentary on U2 A live performance of ‘Until The End Of The World’ from ‘Achtung Baby’, filmed during the US leg of the Zoo TV tour in 1992. Kiss for the camera at 2m34s

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• Talkin’ Music with shineswithyou

  Summary: Sara takes (kind of sort of) a break from talking fanfic and bandfic to talk about a different form of storytelling– music, and writing about music! shineswithyou is a familiar face around Oasis and U2 tumblr, but what you might NOT know is that she has recently embarked on a writing journey of her own, with a substack blog about music and its place as the soundtrack of her own life. Sara and shines talk about her blog, and the difficulty of “writing words about sounds”; how music is a language in and of itself capable of telling its own (and our own) stories. Of COURSE we loop it back around to fanfiction and RPF (or, ‘real person fanfiction’), and how bandfic is, at its core, a pure form of love for the musical artist. Other talking points include: how awesome Bono is, and how we wish we could have been at Slane Castle in 2001; the perennial dysfunction of the Gallagher brothers; and the dichotomy of the U2 and Oasis fandoms. Contact and Credits: Theme Music: Kyle Laurin "Oasis Supersonic Theme" (Twitter: @cobrakylemusic) Clips from "Pop Muzik" by M (℗ 1979 Robin Scott Limited) and "Marquee Moon" by Television (℗ 1977 Elektra/Asylum) Tumblr: talkinfanfic.tumblr.com  Instagram: @talkinfanfic Email: [email protected]    Time caps: 00:00 - Introduction 14:52 - Interview start 23:07 - Music memories and growing up 30:40 - Tumblr and bandom 34:27 - the pf+hb blog! 39:32 - Blog entry 1  44:40 - Tom Verlaine and Television 46:50 - Excerpt of blog entry 4 48:56 - shines’ music writing style and influences, and the difficulties of writing about music 57:15 - Art in the time of Covid and intentional listening 01:10:56 - More on Television’s style and ‘Marquee Moon’ 01:22:22 - CBGB’s and ‘the scene’ 01:28:29 - Music mags! 01:32:05 - Speaking of U2… 01:36:55 - The dichotomy of the U2 fandom vs Oasis fandom 01:43:01 - Rapid Fire Questions!   Episode References “Pf+Hb” shineswithyou’s substack blog  Shineswithyou on Tumblr  Music vid for The Stone Roses’ “She Bangs the Drums” (title inspiration for the blog) M - Pop Muzik (Official Video) (Youtube)  Book - "Heartbeat" by Sharon Creech (Goodreads) - a children’s coming-of-age story told in free verse Music writing rec - Words by Liz Barker - Website of professional music writer and blogger Liz Barker Music writing rec - "Strawberry Fields Whatever" - Music blog by Liz Barker and Laura Jane Faulds and illustrated by Jen May   Music writing rec - Liz Barker's tinyletter and an excerpt from her novel  Blog rec - Hanif Kureishi’s substack and a piece he wrote which shines recommends  Album - Nirvana MTV Unplugged (Spotify) Album - The Velvet Underground & Nico (Spotify) Trouser Press - “The biblio of alternative rock” "The Too-Muchness of Bono" by David Brooks for the Atlantic Achtoon Baby - U2 music blog project by Kelly and PJ Fic mentioned - "The Passing of Peggy Gallagher" by Jeevey    Fic mentioned - “Stop the Clocks” by savageandwise  Youtube Clip from “My Beautiful Laundrette” (1985, starring Gordon Warnecke and Daniel-Day Lewis, screenplay by Hanif Kureshi. You can stream it on HBOMax) Film Trailer for “CBGB” (2013) starring Alan Rickman Book - Meet Me in the Bathroom: Rebirth and Rock and Roll in New York City 2001-2011 (Goodreads) Documentary - Meet Me In The Bathroom (2022) - Youtube trailer stream on Paramount+ or rent on Amazon Prime Video  Documentary - "Gimme Shelter" (1970) - “A harrowing documentary of the Stones' 1969 tour, with much of the focus on the tragic concert at Altamont.” Music Video - “Dark Sunglasses” a single off of Chrissie Hynde’s 2014 album ‘Stockholm’. The album doesn’t appear to be on streaming platforms. Youtube - Where The Streets Have No Name (Live From Slane Castle, Ireland (2001) (you can see the heart-shaped stage that shines mentions really well at about 58 seconds!) Shines’ Desert Island Discs: “Achtung Baby” by U2 (but on another day it might be “Viva La Vida or Death and All His Friends” by Coldplay Shines is listening to: “Lucifer On the Sofa” by Spoon (album, 2022)  Shines is listening to: “Wet Leg” (self-title debut album, 2022) Music Discovery - Paul Gallagher's MixCloud channel (Sara rec, Paul does a weekly playlist with tons of great and lesser known artists. You can listen for free and there’s no ads, but to get the tracklist you have to be a paid subscriber) Justin Hawkins Rides Again (Youtube channel, and he has a new podcast) Music Discovery - Shines recommends finding your local independent radio station with real human DJs! You can google, and most colleges have student run stations, and TuneIn is a site that has a “find a local station” feature you can try out! Fic Rec - “cheaper than a dime” by harmonising (Beatles RPF, George & Paul gen) -  Shines says it’s a “beautiful, angsty study of Paul and George’s relationship, written in a choppy, time-jump style” Fic Rec - “Dare, Disturb the Universe” by Trapelo_Road475 (ao3, Bruce/Steve) Fic Rec - “Wharf Rats on the Stage” by Trapelo_Road475 (ao3, Bruce/Steve) Fic Rec - “Fictitious Characters” and “You Wanted Me Alone” by likeamadonna. Shines says: “gorgeously written and very meta - an alternative history of U2’s early days framed by Bono & Edge’s relationship, & written by them.”

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• Interview with Jeevey

  Summary: Sara sits down with the amazing, sublime, talented Jeevey, a legend in the Oasis RPF and Gcest world. Jeevey talks about the challenges of finding time to express yourself amid real life responsibilities; telling the truth through amateur writing; the joys of RPF and her start in the U2 fandom; rejecting the shame of writing taboo topics, and why she likes writing about interesting, compelling characters versus ‘unproblematic’ more acceptable figures (BORING!) Jeevey is also a fandom expert on Noel Gallagher’s pre-Oasis career as a roadie for the Inspiral Carpets, and his friendship (ahem) relationship, with the now legendary Mancunian Clint Boon. Jeevey chronicles a Clint/Noel romance in her beautiful ongoing work, “Transistor”.   We also mention Jeevey’s recent trip to the UK to see both Gallagher brothers in concert; a highlight of which was Jeevey’s front row view of High Flying Birds’ guitarist Gem Archer’s rather, er, overwhelming and impressive physical presents. PRESENCE, I mean!   Yes, Sara brings you another 3 hour episode, but c’mon. You know. What else you doin’ today, rasta?! Don’t Go Away, Stand By Me! Some Might Say that we’re gonna Live Forever through our incestuous bandfic obsession! D’You Know What I Mean?   Time Caps 0m - Introduction 12:23 - Interview starts. Jeevey talks early writing and how she got into the RPF fandoms. 22:00 - Jeevey on how listening to Noel’s solo material funneled her into the Oasis fic and gcest fandoms. Baby’s first gcest fic!  32:00 - “I don’t want to bring up the Loch Lomond kiss already, but…” aka “collective mainstream fan cognitive dissonance” aka “WOW just LOOK AT THAT SETLIST!” 37:00 - Sara asks Jeevey if she has a favorite brother to write. Complicated!Noel and Scary!Liam  49:22 - “The Passing of Peggy Gallagher” 57:45 - “Broken Arrow River” 1:39:17 - Let’s talk about Clint Boon! And getting into “Transistor” 1:54:35 - Digging more into “Transistor” 2:08:19 - Exploring and researching LGBTQ culture and subcultures in the UK in the 1980s (Lesbians, punks, Section 28, the AIDS crisis, etc) 2:32:40 - Rapid Fire Questions! 2:43:30 - Jeevey on seeing Noel and Liam live in the UK in 2022! 2:49:45 - Jeevey on Gem Archer’s overwhelming physical beauty 2:59:26 - Last question. What does fanfiction (and RPF) mean to you?   Episode References Work - "The Passing of Peggy Gallagher" by Jeevey   Work - "Broken Arrow River" by Jeevey  Work - "Transistor" by Jeevey  Fanlore article on the U2 banfic website loveisblindness.net (now down). It’s sister LJ community was “U2 Slash” has been ported over to U2 Slash on Dreamwidth Rec - "Close" by likeamadonna (U2 fic, Bono/Edge, c2002)    Rec - "Fetish" by likeamadonna (Bono/Edge) started in 2002, then went on hiatus for 14 years until the author finished it in 2016! Incredible!! Resource - “Gallaghercest, a Primer” by Snickfic (LiveJournal)  Resource - “Mad for Our Kid” quote archive  Resource - Oasis Interviews Blogspot  Fic Archive - “Mad for Our Kid” LJ Community Fic - "Whatever I Choose" by Jeevey baby’s first gcest fic! Twitter post from "Mainly Oasis" on the anniversary of Oasis at Loch Lomond. Aka, "WOW What a Setlist, that!" Or, "Collective Fandom Cognitive Dissonance re: brothers kissing."  “I AM DISTURBANCE” GQ Interview, Feb 1998 (Oasis Interviews Blogspot) Fic Rec - "Hawkmoon" the U2 cowboy fic - Index of entries on Livejournal Youtube -  Liam singing "Once" and looking GODLIKE at MTV Unplugged (Hull City Hall, 2019)  Influence - Youtube - trailer for “Silent Tongue” the River Phoenix film we mention that was an aesthetic and tonal influence on Jeevey’s “Broken Arrow River” Influence - Ford Madox Ford’s “Parade’s End” (Goodreads) Influence - Robert Duvall’s film “The Apostle” (1997) trailer Clint & Noel in Bed - "Aw, look at us." (Jeevey tumblr post with XFM clip, 2006)  1993 Inspiral Carpets Interview (a good example of Clint Boon manspreading and dominating the interview, and Tom Hingley the singer and frontman quietly holding the mic for Clint) Resource - “Meet the lesbian punks who've been written out of London's history” (Time Out, April 2017) article jeevey linked on tumblr for context on UK queer culture in the 80s Gcesty tune - “Take Me” by Oasis (1992 demo remastered by a fan in 2021) and lyrics Fic Rec - “Stop the Clocks” by savageandwise (Liam/Noel present day) Fic Rec - time's slipping away (and what will it hold for me?) by mansgotalimit (young!Liam and present day!Noel, WIP) Fic Rec - "The Swing of the Planets in Orbit" and its sequel "Memories in Your Lungs Like Air" by Snickfic (Liam/Noel ABO AU series)    Contact and Credits: Music: Kyle Laurin "Oasis Supersonic Theme" (Twitter: @cobrakylemusic) Tumblr: talkinfanfic.tumblr.com  Instagram: @talkinfanfic Email: [email protected] 

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• MAD FER IT: Oasis, RPF, and Gallaghercest

  Are ye mad fer it?! In episode 303 Sara and Laura crack open a lager and spend three hours indulging in their most problematic (or NOT) obsession yet– The Gallagher Brothers of Oasis! RPF, or ‘real person fiction’ is fanfiction based on the lives of real people. We figure, if you’re gonna get into RPF, you ‘might as well do the white line’ and in true rock’n’roll lifestyle Slide Away into the nitty gritty of one of the most complicated, fascinating, beautiful, ugly, loving, brutal, intense relationships maybe ever. D' You Know What I Mean?  Gcest fans, this is for you. Turn your light on, take the shame out of your bread, sit back and enjoy!    PS. Even in three hours we didn’t get to everything! If you’re interested in more gcest fic, we’ve got our recs listed below, and do check out Snickfic’s Gcest Primer, and the Livejournal communities “MFOK” community and quote archive.  PPS. Spotify Playlist of our Top Oasis and Gallagher Bros. solo tracks!   Timecaps! 0m - Episode Intro 4m - Cold open. Laura is forced to name all the Oasis and Gallagher solo studio albums in order 10m - HOW WE GOT HERE (RPF?! Incest?! On arrive à la problématique) 25m - IRL Timeline Walkthrough, “Who are the Gallagher Brothers?” 1h33m - The fanfiction! RPF, gcest, and our recs! 2h03 - The music and our Toppermost of the Poppermost of Oasis, Liam Gallagher, and Noel Gallagher’s High Flying Birds.   Episode References Documentary on Oasis, “Supersonic” (2016) [Prime] [Official Trailer] Documentary on Liam, “As You Were” (2019) [Prime] [Official Trailer] Oasis on MTV Most Wanted (18th August 1994) - “Whatever” and “Live Forever” (Liam looking ethereally beautiful, music starts 1m40s) Tumblr post ft. pics of the amazing and infamous 'Loch Lomond Kiss'  “Gallaghercest, a Primer” by Snickfic (LJ) “Mad for Our Kid” quote archive https://mfokquotearchiv.livejournal.com/  “Mad for Our Kid” LJ https://mfokquotearchiv.livejournal.com/  Oasis and Gallagher Brother Timeline (public Google Doc we made) BE on Spotify (our fave Beady Eye album) 2015 Youtube video of Liam in an Irish pub playing early versions of ‘Bold’ and ‘When I’m In Need’ Liam Gallagher - “Once” Music Video ft. Eric Cantona, and Butler!Liam Liam Gallagher - "One of Us" Music Video or, “I miss my brother, here is my heart on my sleeve.” Try not to cry!  Beady Eye - “Ballroom Figured” acoustic studio. Liam’s voice is raw but beautiful here. Lovely. Liam Gallagher - "Greedy Soul" Live at Air Studios BIBLICAL Liam Gallagher - "All You're Dreaming Of" Live on Jonathan Ross CELESTIAL Liam Gallagher - "Gone" MTV Unplugged MAJESTICAL Noel Gallagher’s HFB - “Holy Mountain” music video (aka Hot Daddy NG in his tiny trousers)    Noel Gallagher’s HFB - "Dead in the Water" Live at The Late Late Show RTÉ One    Contact and Credits: Music: Kyle Laurin "Oasis Supersonic Theme" (Twitter: @cobrakylemusic) Tumblr: talkinfanfic.tumblr.com  Instagram: @talkinfanfic Email: [email protected]    Fic Recs (3-5) Sara’s Recs time's slipping away (and what will it hold for me?) by mansgotalimit (young!Liam appears in older!Noel’s world. WIP. ) “A Lot Like Gravity”, by RedheadAmongWolves (Superhero AU, SO!MUCH!FUN!) "Let Me Be the One" by Savageandwise (angsty with happy ending, psychological excavation, amazing!!) "don't you know you're life itself?" by liamnoel (early days, romantic, surreal, stylistic) "Candy Floss Heart" by Jeevey  (lovely present day, Sonny meets Liam at the zoo) Laura’s Recs “Canter”, by cancellable (early days, short drabble, pretty, that one incredible line!) “Trying to Find a World That’s Been and Gone” by storyshark2005, (Reconciliation, Sara’s Coma trope fic) “Razorblade” by Jeevey (sexy, early days pre-band, rawr) “you and I are gonna live forever” by StripySock, (sexy, first kiss, beautifully and sharply written, early days band)  Filmstar (orphaned, A/N reads: "This was written by lonelyisourlife @ livejournal in 2014" FILMSTAR!!!! WE FORGOT TO TALK ABOUT FILMSTAR!! READ THIS FIC!! In our opinion, one of the best fics in the fandom. Music Recs Spotify Playlist of our Top Oasis and Gallagher Bros. solo tracks! Sara’s Faves Oasis: Slide Away / Don’t Look Back in Anger / Supersonic  LG Solo: “Once” / “Diamond in the Dark” / “When I’m in Need” NG Solo: “If I Had a Gun” / “Dying of the Light” / “Holy Mountain” Laura’s Faves Oasis: Talk Tonight / Cast No Shadow / Don’t Go Away / Stop Crying Your Heart Out / Songbird  LG Solo: Ballroom Figured (BE) / All You’re Dreaming of / Gone NG Solo: Dead in the Water / Black Star Dancing / Alone on the Rope

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