2 Complicated 4 History

• The Lost Appalachian Trail - Dr. Mills Kelly

  Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Dr. Mills Kelly to explore the origins of the Appalachian Trail, the lives it touched, and a long-forgotten section in Virginia. While the trail invited people into the wilderness, it also fostered connections among them. As one poet aptly put it, "In the mountains, the mind becomes the heart." Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia CHAPTERS: 0:00 - Introductions 3:21 - The Appalachian Trail: A Historical Overview 6:39 - Benton MacKaye's Vision for the Trail 10:08 - The Challenges of Trail Development 15:01 - The Route Through Southwestern Virginia 22:19 - The Controversial Trail Leader 25:24 - Land Ownership and Trail Access 28:54 - Cultural Exchange and Hiker Hospitality 32:06 - Economic Impact of the Appalachian Trail 36:27 - Visualizing the Appalachian Trail 41:04 - The Evolution of the Trail 43:27 - Personal Connections and Community 47:38 - The Friends You Make Along the Way 54:40 - Bridging Political Divides through Shared Experiences EPISODE LINKS: Dr. Mills Kelly: https://millskelly.net Virginia’s Lost Appalachian Trail: https://www.arcadiapublishing.com/products/9781467153393/?queryID=574fdb827000a9ce82f22687c79d8374&objectID=9781467153393&insightsIndex=arcadia-publishing_products Virginia’s Lost AT: https://virginiaslostat.org/ The Green Tunnel: https://www.r2studios.org/show/the-green-tunnel/ Franklin County, Virginia: https://franklincountyvahistoricalsociety.org The Long Trail, Vermont: https://www.greenmountainclub.org/the-long-trail/ Benton MacKaye: https://appalachiantrailhistory.org/exhibits/show/builders/bmackaye Shirley Center, MA: https://shirleyhistory.org/about/shirley-center/ Betty MacKaye: https://documents.alexanderstreet.com/d/1008297941 Myron Avery: https://appalachiantrailhistory.org/exhibits/show/builders/mavery Smokey Mountain Diner: https://visitmadisoncounty.com/smoky-mountain-diner/ Fries, Virginia: https://musicofourmountains.com/fries-and-the-washington-mill/ Floyd, Virginia: https://www.floydcova.gov/history Shenandoah National Park: https://www.snptrust.org/about-us/mission-history/shenandoah-history/ Pacific Crest Trail: https://www.pcta.org/about-us/history/ Washington and Jefferson National Forests: https://www.virginia.org/things-to-do/outdoors/national-forests-and-recreation-areas/george-washington-and-jefferson-national-forests/ Iron Mountain Trail: https://www.hikingproject.com/trail/7033608/iron-mountain-trail Lake View Restaurant: https://lakeview.top Franklin County, Virginia: https://www.franklincountyva.gov/575/History-of-Franklin-County New River: https://dwr.virginia.gov/waterbody/new-river/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• A History of Antisemitism - Lincoln A. Mullen and John G. Turner

  Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by John G. Turner and Lincoln A. Mullen, creators of the new podcast “Antisemitism U.S.A.,” to explore the history of antisemitism in the United States. Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia TRANSCRIPT: coming soon  OUTLINE: 0:00 - Introductions 1:38 - How Did the Podcast Come to Be? 6:08 - Why Do You Think The History of Antisemitism Has Been Overlooked?  11:52 - What Was It Like for Aaron Lopez? 17:22 - What is Antisemitism? 22:46 - What Is The Discrimination Based on? 28:37 - How Did Antisemitism Shift in the 20th Century? 30:52 - Did Jewish Immigration Play a Role In the Evolution of Antisemism? 35:44 - How Did Public Morality Influence Religious Toleration? 53:51 - What Led To The Changes That Brought Rights to the Jewish People? 58:57 - What Impact Do You Want Your Podcast to Have? 1:07:05 - Outro EPISODE LINKS: Antisemitism U.S.A. podcast – https://www.r2studios.org/show/Antisemitism-USA/ Dr. John Turner – https://religiousstudies.gmu.edu/people/jturne17 Dr. Lincoln Mullen – https://lincolnmullen.com George Mason University – https://www.gmu.edu R2 Studios – https://www.r2studios.org 1619 Project – https://pulitzercenter.org/sites/default/files/full_issue_of_the_1619_project.pdf Virginia Declaration of Rights – https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/virginia-declaration-of-rights Aaron Lopez – https://www.jewishpress.com/sections/features/features-on-jewish-world/jacob-rivera-aaron-lopez-and-isaac-hart-three-leading-jewish-merchants-in-colonial-america/2023/02/15/ David Sorkin, “Jewish Emancipation: A History across Five Centuries” – https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691164946/jewish-emancipation?srsltid=AfmBOopqCx_mdBC0C72N-z7KCR5hDnsWNDxoe3fMKkbLOqtlaCKoJFRt Zionism – https://www.britannica.com/topic/Zionism International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance - https://holocaustremembrance.com Mark Oppenheimer, “Squirrel Hill: The Tree of Life Synagogue Shooting and the Soul of a Neighborhood” – https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/611023/squirrel-hill-by-mark-oppenheimer/ Henry Ford – https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/henryford-antisemitism/ Race Science – https://library.harvard.edu/confronting-anti-black-racism/scientific-racism Prohibition – https://www.britannica.com/event/Prohibition-United-States-history-1920-1933 Dwight D. Eisenhower, “In other words, our form of government has no sense unless it is founded in a deeply felt religious faith, and I don't care what it is." – https://www.eisenhowerlibrary.gov/eisenhowers/quotes Bolshevism – https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095516209 Jacob Henry – https://www.dncr.nc.gov/blog/2023/12/08/jacob-henry-ca-1775-1847-c-83 Britt Tevis – https://www.britttevis.com PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab Full episodes playlist:   https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH SOCIAL: - Twitter: https://twitter.com/2c4h_Podcast - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• Justice for a President’s Daughter - Barbara Vorndick

  Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Barbara Vorndick to explore the life of Eliza Monroe and the story that has been told about her for two-hundred years—and why it is false. Now the push is on to bring James Monroe’s daughter home. Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia TRANSCRIPT: coming soon  OUTLINE: 0:00 - Introductions 1:39 - Why Barbara Started The Biography 7:12 - Who Was President James Monroe? 13:25 - Eliza Monroe's Education and Early Life 19:20 - Eliza the Nurse 23:00 - Eliza the First Lady Daughter 26:20 - Eliza the Firecracker 30:30 - The Primary Sources That Fueled The Research 33:14 - The Sea Voyage to France 42:48 - Whodunnit 51:12 - Did Eliza Get a Proper Funeral? 55:08 - Breaking News - Where Are We Now? 58:35 - How Can We Help Bring Eliza Home? EPISODE LINKS: Eliza’s True. Story: The First Biography of President Monroe’s Eldest Daughter - https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/elizas-true-story-barbara-vorndick/1145846740 Bringing Eliza Home - https://hffi.org/bringing-eliza-home/ The Bringing Eliza Home Project (Facebook) – https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61558069665312 Donate - https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=DNXN2KMNKVGHG Eliza Monroe - https://www.whitehousehistory.org/bios/elizabeth-monroe James Monroe - https://www.britannica.com/biography/James-Monroe James Monroe’s Highland - https://highland.org Louisiana Purchase – https://www.britannica.com/event/Louisiana-Purchase Monroe Doctrine – https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/monroe-doctrine Jeanne-Louise-Henriette Genest Campan - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jeanne-Louise-Henriette-Genest-Campan Caroline Bonaparte – https://www.britannica.com/biography/Caroline-Bonaparte Hortense de Beauharnais – https://www.britannica.com/biography/Hortense Elizabeth Kortright Monroe - https://www.whitehousehistory.org/bios/elizabeth-monroe George Hay - https://www.fjc.gov/node/1381966 Margaret Bayard Smith – https://www.loc.gov/collections/margaret-bayard-smith-papers/about-this-collection/ Frances Depau (ship) - https://oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/c80k2cvw/entire_text/ Maria Hester Monroe - https://jmonroe3d.umwhistory.org/exhibit/maria-hester-monroe-gouverneur/ Samuel Laurence Gouverneur - https://archives.nypl.org/mss/1187 Daniel Brent – https://history.state.gov/departmenthistory/people/brent-daniel-carroll James Monroe Museum and Memorial Library - https://jamesmonroemuseum.umw.edu James Monroe Memorial Foundation - https://monroefoundation.org Found and Sons Funeral Chapel - https://www.foundandsons.com/locations/found-and-sons-funeral-chapel-of-fredericksburg PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab Full episodes playlist:    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH SOCIAL: - Twitter: https://twitter.com/2c4h_Podcast - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• The History and Psychology of Espionage - Philip Thompson

  Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Philip Thompson to discuss the history of espionage and the psychological motivations behind becoming an international spy. Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia TRANSCRIPT: coming soon  OUTLINE: 0:00 - Coming Up 1:09 - Introductions 3:48 - The M.I.C.E. Framework: Understanding Spy Motivations 7:21 - The Background of Spies: Who Becomes a Spy? 10:05 - Psychological Factors in Espionage 13:15 - Ideology vs. Money: The Dual Motivations of Spies 24:56 -Case Studies: The Rosenbergs and Their Impact 28:42 - Case Studies: George Blake and the Consequence of Compromise 32:23 - The Complexity of Coercion in Espionage 42:46 - The Role of Women in Espionage History 47:49 - Ego as a Motivating Factor in Spying 52:00 - Case Studies: Edward Snowden, Noble Convictions or Ego? 57:36 - Evolution of Espionage Frameworks 1:01:20 -The Intersection of Fiction and Reality in Spy Culture 1:04:38 - Understanding M.I.C.E. in Personal Life 01:06:21 - Historical Sites to Visit EPISODE LINKS: Philip Thompson YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@PhilipThompson Project Slammer - https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP87-00812R000200070011-7.pdf Aldrich Ames - https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/aldrich-ames John Walker - https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-Walker-American-spy The Cambridge Spies - https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/spies_cambridge.shtml Anthony Blunt - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Anthony-Blunt J. Edgar Hoover - https://www.britannica.com/biography/J-Edgar-Hoover Oleg Antonovich Gordievsky - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/11/russian-spies-britain-oleg-gordievsky Julius and Ethel Rosenberg - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Julius-Rosenberg-and-Ethel-Rosenberg David Greenglass - https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/profile/david-greenglass/ George Blake - https://www.britannica.com/biography/George-Blake-British-diplomat-and-Soviet-spy 2C4H Lavender Scare - https://youtu.be/PjXYDJW5LF8?si=MUqlIZOke0-17yiq Alan Turing - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Alan-Turing Mata Hari - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Mata-Hari-Dutch-dancer-and-spy Special Operations Executive (SOE) Women Spies - https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/The-Female-Spies-Of-SOE/ Virginia Hall - https://beta.nationalarchives.gov.uk/explore-the-collection/stories/virginia-hall/ Robert Hanssen - https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/robert-hanssen Edward Snowden - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Edward-Snowden RASCLS - https://www.cia.gov/resources/csi/studies-in-intelligence/volume-57-no-1/an-alternative-framework-for-agent-recruitment-from-mice-to-rascls/ Jonathan Pollard - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jonathan-Pollard International Spy Museum - https://www.spymuseum.org/ Burlington Bunker - https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/burlington-bunker PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab Full episodes playlist:    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH SOCIAL: - Twitter: https://twitter.com/2c4h_Podcast - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• John Dickinson: Penman of the Founding - Dr. Jane E. Calvert

  Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Dr. Jane E. Calvert to discuss the lesser known and under appreciated founder John Dickinson. Find out why Dickinson should be placed alongside the names Washington, Adams, and Jefferson in U.S. history books. Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia TRANSCRIPT: coming soon  OUTLINE: 0:00 - Sneak Peak/Introductions 2:22 - Why John Dickinson? 5:48 - Who Was John Dickinson 9:24 - How Prolific Was He? 22:46 - The Role of Ordinary People in the Revolution 29:15 - Dickinson’s Pen Name and Its Implications 41:24 - Drafting The Articles of Confederation 43:52 - A Man Who Had His Hand In Everything 45:19 - The One Person Who Brought The United States Into Being 53:29 - Dickinson’s Later Years and Legacy 58:39 - Where to Find Jane? 1:01:46 - Dickinson Sites To Visit EPISODE LINKS: Jane E. Calvert, PhD – https://www.drjaneecalvert.org Penman of the Founding – A Biography of John Dickinson - https://global.oup.com/academic/product/penman-of-the-founding-9780197541692?cc=us&lang=en&  The John Dickinson Writings Project - https://www.jdproject.org Quakers - https://www.britannica.com/topic/Society-of-Friends Stamp Act – https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/spotlight-primary-source/stamp-act-1765 Letters from a Farmer in Pennsylvania - https://history.delaware.gov/john-dickinson-plantation/dickinsonletters/pennsylvania-farmer-letters/ Religion and the American Revolution - https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel03.html#:~:text=Religion%20played%20a%20major%20role,in%20the%20sight%20of%20God. John Dickinson, Conservative Revolutionary - https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-american-studies/article/abs/milton-e-flower-john-dickinson-conservative-revolutionary-charlottesville-virginia-the-univ-press-of-virginia-for-the-friends-of-the-john-dickinson-mansion-1983-2750-pp-xii-338/597B92DD95F124DAB8EBB9DBD25EF68B The Cost of Liberty: The Life of John Dickinson - https://www.regnery.com/9781684515479/cost-of-liberty/ Edmund Burke - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Edmund-Burke-British-philosopher-and-statesman John Adams - https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/John-Adams/David-McCullough/9780743223133 The Whig Party - https://www.britannica.com/topic/Whig-Party Benjamin Lay - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/quaker-comet-greatest-abolitionist-never-heard-180964401/ John Woolman - https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-Woolman Mary Norris Dickinson - https://www.womenhistoryblog.com/2011/05/mary-norris-dickinson.html John Dickinson Plantation - https://www.nps.gov/frst/planyourvisit/john-dickinson-plantation.htm  Stenton - https://www.stenton.org PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab Full episodes playlist:    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH SOCIAL: - Twitter: https://twitter.com/2c4h_Podcast - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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