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What exactly should we be looking for in our cylinders? Plus torque tales, making TBO, and overzealous manufacturers.

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Jared asks what he should be looking for with his borescope. He’s seen bad valves and what that looks like, but he’s also hoping to see what bad scoring and other things. Colleen stresses to focus on what goes wrong with a cylinder, and being able to identify those attributes. Things like broken rings, piston pins, detonation signature, etc are identifiable, and can be examined. Paul said rust is always something to look for, but most cylinders have some. Knowing how much and why it’s there is what matters. Mike said rust would cause him to consider the camshaft on an airplane in a pre-buy situation, for example.

 

Chad has a new Cessna turbo 206. He wants to be sure to get to TBO and then some. Paul said the one thing he needs to do is fly as often as possible. He is flying 400 hours a year, which the hosts love. He asks if he
can fly a maximum continuous power, and the hosts agree that he can, so long as his cylinder head temperatures are within spec. The book tells Chad to lean to peak turbine inlet temperature, and not to run lean of peak. He wants to know if this is a real threat or a hollow one. Once again, the hosts agree that it’s a hollow threat, and that he should operate lean of peak if he can. They also discuss the myth of turbo cooldowns. Mike said George Braly instrumented a turbo and found that it actually got hotter as it sat on the ramp “cooling down.”

 

Serrhel is sick of the Continental maintenance schedule. He has a Cirrus that is under warranty, and he’s required to do the maintenance as scheduled. At 300 hours an injector cleaning was required, and only a few
months later, the injectors had to be cleaned again during the annual. Cirrus and Continental required it, even after some pushback. Paul said manufacturers don’t buy into the probability of maintenance induced failures or in the concept of reliability centered maintenance. The discuss the reasons why manufacturers think this way, and Mike said a conversation with a factory representative taught him that they basically don’t trust GA pilots and owners to maintain aircraft at a high level.

 

Patrick is throwing down a challenge to Paul. He said Paul always stresses that when tightening case through-bolts, you torque simultaneously with torque wrenches on both sides at the same time. Old Continental videos say the same, but the video shows the technicians only torquing on one side at a time. Despite the guidance, Paul said it doesn’t make sense to put a torque wrench on both sides at the same time. Mike said if you put a torque wrench on both sides, one side will be torqued dry and hit the pre-load spec too early. Mike and Paul then get into a debate about how the logbook entry should be made when if you decide not to follow Continental’s advice. Patrick further mentions that the Continental service manual doesn’t say it should be simultaneously.

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Creative leaning techniques, rusty cylinders, and odd manifold pressure indications are on tap this time.

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Old engines, rusty airplanes, and a strange valve incident are the puzzlers for Mike, Paul, and Colleen this episode. Send your questions to [email protected] for a chance to get on the show.

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John has a Beech Musketeer who had an unusual situation with his valve. The valve seat separated from the cylinder barrel and dropped down, striking the piston crown. He's wondering if he did anything to cause this, despite never exceeding 425 degrees CHT. The hosts agree that it was probably a manufacturing error, even though the cylinder had a few hundred hours on it. Mike said the only way this can happen is with a manufacturing problem or a high heat event.

Larry has an early SR22 with 3,300 hours on the engine. It's not in need of an overhaul now, but Larry has read those early SR22 cases are more robust, and he's wondering when the time comes if he should overhaul or do a factory reman. The hosts aren't aware of any particular issues that make cases from that generation better, but they do offer some sound advice on the reman versus overhaul question. Mike said that if the engine has been treating him well that Larry should overhaul it. And if it's been a lemon, send it off and get a new one from the factory. Larry is a little worried about resale, since people are skiddish with high-time engines. Mike suggests that an airplane with run-out engines is the best investment because it's been fully depreciated. Any additional time is essentially free.

Terry has been looking for a 182 and he saw one in California with corrosion. He wonders how much corrosion is too much. Paul said that according to Terry's photos, he wouldn't think twice about buying the airplane. The general rule is that you can take off only 10 percent of a structure and not worry about it. The skin on top of the wing where the corrosion can be seen is only 25 thousandth of an inch, which means you could only take off 2.5 thousandth of an inch and still use that skin. White splotching can be seen in the photos, and Paul said it's common for airplanes of that vintage, and not to repair it. Instead, he recommends spraying it with ACF-50 or Corrosion-X every few years. Doing so will stop the spread and not allow any further damage.

Pre-emptive engine overhauls, upgrading an old electrical system, spark plug anti-seize, and old wood wing concerns are on tap for this episode.

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Lance inherited some furniture that had lived in the Midwest for 200 years, and began splitting after only a few years after he moved to Salt Lake City. He's wondering if the same concern would hold with wood wings, like those on the Bellanca Viking. The hosts say not to worry. The wood spars are lathered with a varnish that helps keep out moisture, Sitka spruce is resistant to splitting, and Mike said in his experience with Vikings in the 1970s, shops didn't report issues with airplanes that had lived in different parts of the country.

Jim has an Arrow and he wants to guard against the long down times we're seeing at overhaul shops. To do so he wonders if she would pick the right time and pre-emptively overhaul his engine, or at least change out the cylinders. Mike, Paul, and Colleen fully lecture poor Jim on the perils of so-called top overhauls, and instead advise him to do nothing more than stock a cylinder in case the time comes and he needs it.

Darren is thinking of putting an all-new panel into his Tri-Pacer, and he's wondering if he should upgrade his generator to an alternator when he does it. Paul said he's not worried about the generator when it comes to his avionics, but given that Darren flies at night, Paul thinks an alternator is probably a good idea.

Steve is wondering about spark plug anti-seize compounds. He uses the Tempest and Champion products, but found Lycoming's service instructions that prohibits their use. It calls for a copper-based compound, or motor oil. The hosts think the guidance might be a result of getting the carbon-based anti-seize on the insulator, which would cause arcing. They all agree that motor oil would be a bad choice. Paul thinks the Champion compound is fine, so long as you use only a little, and keep it off the last thread. Mike now uses an anti-seize stick that you apply to the threads, almost like a lip balm.