We continue our discussion of the accusations about juror tampering in the Murdaugh case, but this time Bob Motta of Defense Diaries joins us.

A shocking new filing by the defense leaves everyone wondering--are we doing this whole thing again? And this time, freaking out is appropriate.

Shawn Rech freed an innocent man with the groundbreaking documentary, Murder in the Park. Now he takes on one of the most controversial innocence cases out there--that of Steven Avery. He tells us all about his newest project, Convicting a Murderer, which raises some disturbing questions about the motives and manipulations behind the Netflix blockbuster, Making a Murderer.

We were talking about genetic genealogy, and we just kept talking. So here's the rest of the conversation.

We talk about genetic genealogy and the right to privacy. And then we just kept talking. This is part 1.