For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

Twenty years ago, Wm. Paul Young wrote a story as a Christmas gift for his six kids, printed 15 copies at Office Depot, and went back to work at one of his three jobs. That story became The Shack. Now Paul returns with Return to the Shack, our Jen Hatmaker Book Club pick for October, set ten years after the original and shaped by a decade of real friendship with the men of Unit 2 on death row in Nashville. Jen and Paul talk about the long road of healing that came before The Shack, the uncanny ways the book keeps finding the people who need it, why the backlash never shook him, and what his friends on death row have taught him about freedom. Stay until the very end for Paul’s gentle, unforgettable answer to anyone who grew up terrified of hell.
Thought-provoking Quotes:
"You do the next right thing, you participate with love, and you trust the ripples." (Wm. Paul Young)
"When you learn to live without expectations, everything becomes a gift." (Wm. Paul Young)
"Fury and grief together are the basis for compassion." (Wm. Paul Young)
"It’s not about purpose. It’s about moment by moment response to the person, the event that is actually in front of you." (Wm. Paul Young)
"A lot of people live way past their theology because they’re better human beings than their theology would allow them to be." (Wm. Paul Young)
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Return to the Shack by Wm. Paul Young: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/wm-paul-young/return-to-the-shack/9781546008897/
The Shack by Wm. Paul Young: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/wm-paul-young/the-shack/9780964729230/
The Shack (2017 film): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2872518/
Bryan Stevenson and the Equal Justice Initiative: https://eji.org
Scripture referenced: Jeremiah 7:31, 2 Samuel 14:14, Acts 17, Matthew 5, 1 Corinthians 13:5, 2 Corinthians 5:19, John 14:20, 1 John 4:18
Guest’s Links:
Website - https://wmpaulyoung.com
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/wmpaulyoung/
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheShackOfficial
YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@wmpaulyoung4841
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.

Welcome to the very first episode of Jen and Friends, a new monthly segment where Jen pulls up a chair with one of her actual friends. No book tour, no agenda, no interview; just the conversation you'd overhear if you were eavesdropping. First up is the hilarious Jamie Golden, cohost of The Popcast with Knox and Jamie, Faith Adjacent, and Shelf Respect, flying solo on the show for the first time. Recorded the day after the midterms, Jen and Jamie open with a morning-after debrief from Texas and Alabama, then wander happily through purpose-driven alliteration (and the book title nobody stopped Jen from using), the Rachel haircut that swept Oklahoma Baptist University, and a famous-Christian wedding Jamie attended on a tolerance invitation. Then skincare savant Jamie explains snail mucin, why South Korea bet big on beauty and entertainment, the three products you actually need, and why Jen's Botox keeps going sideways. Plus: what to watch next, from The Traitors to War to Slow Horses. Consider this your breather.
Thought-provoking Quotes:
"What is more enough than a good friend and an hour to laugh?" - Jen Hatmaker
"Should we talk about everything and nothing all at the same time?" - Jamie Golden
"Could be so much worse. It's the new American slogan." - Jen Hatmaker
"Skincare is like a seasoning in a dish." - Jamie Golden
"All you need is a cleanser, a sunscreen, and a moisturizer. That's it." - Jamie Golden
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
The Popcast with Knox and Jamie - https://knoxandjamie.com
Faith Adjacent - https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/id1347735219
Shelf Respect - https://readwithshelfrespect.com
Flawless by Elise Hu - https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/667034/flawless-by-elise-hu/
The Traitors on Peacock - https://www.peacocktv.com/stream-tv/the-traitors
The Diplomat on Netflix - https://www.netflix.com/title/81288983
East of Eden on Netflix - https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/east-of-eden-series
The Great British Baking Show on Netflix - https://www.netflix.com/title/80063224
Guest's Links:
Instagram - https://instagram.com/jamiebgolden
Threads - https://www.threads.com/@jamiebgolden
Podcast - https://knoxandjamie.com
Connect with Jen!
Jen's Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen's Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen's Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen's Facebook -

It's officially the season of invitations, and if your first feeling about the next holiday text is a tiny bit of dread, Gail Simmons wrote a book for you. Gail has been at the Top Chef judges' table since the very first season (20 years and 23 seasons!), and she noticed that for all the books on hosting, almost nobody teaches us how to be a good guest. So she wrote Guesting. Jen and Gail talk about why the judges never get to know the chefs, the food-loving parents who raised her to be curious about the world, the blunt advice that sent her to culinary school, and the signature-gift habit she picked up from food critic Jeffrey Steingarten. Plus: the uninvited guest who walked off with the centerpieces, why the Irish goodbye is actually fine, the "Jewish Canadian goodbye," and how to ask for leftovers like a pro. This is a conversation about reciprocity, gratitude, and building the connected world we're all hoping for.
Thought-provoking Quotes:
"I realized that we all guest in the world a lot more than we actually host." - Gail Simmons
"This isn't Emily Post. This is how to contribute to our communities a little better." - Gail Simmons
"We're voting on vibes, and you guys are voting on food." - Jen Hatmaker
"Hosts don't host to get gifts... they host to host." - Gail Simmons
"Dress, act, put out in the world for the experience you want to receive." - Gail Simmons
"It's never too late to be grateful." - Gail Simmons
"What I want people to say is she is the life of the party." - Gail Simmons
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Guesting by Gail Simmons - https://gailsimmons.com/guesting
Signed copies from Books Are Magic - https://www.booksaremagic.net
Top Chef on Bravo - https://www.bravotv.com/top-chef
Guest's Links:
Website - https://gailsimmons.com
Instagram - https://instagram.com/gailsimmonseats
Twitter - https://twitter.com/gailsimmons
Connect with Jen!
Jen's Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen's Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen's Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen's Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen's YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.

If you’re hearing this the morning it drops, the midterms wrapped yesterday. I recorded this last week, on purpose, so I don’t know how it went. I don’t know what you woke up feeling, and honestly, I don’t know what I’m feeling yet either. Relieved, defeated, somewhere in between: either way, we still have to get up and make breakfast.
We’re opening our November series on Enough, and today it’s just me and you with the most basic version of it: you have enough in you to show up today, no matter what happened yesterday. I’m asking three questions. What do you still have that you had yesterday? What can you set down, or hand to someone else, for 24 hours? And what is the next small thing that’s yours to do?
Setting something down is not quitting. Being a good neighbor is not a small thing. And as we head into the holiday season, maybe facing some hard firsts, you also get to say enough is enough. I want all of us to have enough left for the long game.
Thought-provoking Quotes:
Enough really isn’t a feeling. For me, sometimes I see it more as a count.
Setting something down is not quitting. Resting is not quitting. Pausing is not quitting.
Hope can be so exhausting when you’re just trying to hold it up in the air with all your might.
We can’t fix everything, but we do have to have dinner.
Being a good neighbor to me is the highest apex of my faith.
I believe that we belong to each other, and that we have far more in common than what separates us.
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Join the AWAKE Collective on Letters from the Middle - https://jenhatmaker.substack.com
Read this month’s free essay - https://jenhatmaker.substack.com (the first essay of every month is free for all subscribers)
November AWAKE Collective Reflection Guide, included with your subscription
Leave us a voicemail - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcast: Tell me three things you still have today.
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.