The Foreign Area Officer Podcast

In this episode of the Foreign Area Officer Podcast, host Michael Hill interviews retired Lieutenant Colonel Bill Woods, an Eastern European FAO and current instructor at the Joint Military Attaché School (JMAS). LTC Woods shares his experiences and challenges faced during his career, including the undervaluation of FAOs in the past, his roles in Naples, Cyprus, and London, and the importance of building relationships in diplomatic and military contexts. The discussion also touches on the practical aspects of being an FAO, the impact of critical thinking and current doctrinal knowledge, and the unique experiences and opportunities presented by serving at JMAS. Bill reflects on the importance of having fun in the job and staying engaged in current assignments while planning for future roles.

 

00:00 Introduction and Disclaimer

00:42 Welcome and Guest Introduction

00:59 Early Experiences as a FAO

02:13 Challenging Assignments and Career Growth

04:44 Political Advisor Role in Baghdad

07:47 NATO Advisor Experience

23:22 Greek Language and Cultural Immersion

41:39 Access and Opportunities in Foreign Military Education

43:06 Challenges and Misconceptions in Greek War College

44:19 Thesis Writing and Overcoming Language Barriers

44:58 Navigating Cultural and Academic Expectations

45:33 Ethical Dilemmas and Academic Integrity

46:31 Building Relationships and Gaining Respect

47:25 Experiences and Reflections on Military Assignments

49:45 The Importance of Fitting In and Building Trust

51:29 Protocol and Respect in International Military Relations

54:33 Career Path and Assignments in Military Diplomacy

55:59 Navigating the Attache Service and Career Challenges

57:54 The Role of FAOs in Multinational Operations

01:00:25 Balancing Operational Knowledge and Diplomatic Skills

01:07:31 The Value of War College and Continuous Learning

01:20:02 The Future of FAOs in a Changing Military Landscape

01:22:39 Experiences and Challenges in Cyprus

01:27:11 Minister's Support and Explosive Seizure

01:28:06 Meeting the Minister of Defense

01:28:59 The Explosion and Its Aftermath

01:30:14 Improving Relationships Post-Explosion

01:33:44 Challenges and Strategies in Diplomatic Relations

01:42:24 Reflections on Career and FAO Experiences

01:53:13 Working at the Joint Military Attaché School (JMAS)

01:58:28 Advice for Future FAOs and Instructors

02:08:22 Final Thoughts and Farewell

In this episode I’m happy to welcome back LTC(P) Wes Chaney, US Army AFRICOM FAO.  Wes shares his journey in establishing the Army Foreign Area Officer Association and discusses his first book, which delves into his experiences as a security cooperation officer in Africa. The conversation covers a variety of topics including the creation of his Africa OSC blog, the unique challenges faced by FAOs, the importance of mentorship, and the activities of the Army FAO Association. Wes also provides invaluable advice on managing expectations, senior leader engagements, and the specific 'shoulds' (don’t be that guy!)and 'traps' FAOs should be aware of. The episode is a goldmine of information for both current and aspiring FAOs, offering practical tips and reflective anecdotes from Wes's extensive career.

 

00:00 Introduction and Disclaimers

00:40 Welcoming the Guest: Lt. Col. Wes Cheney

01:13 The Birth of the Africa OSC Blog

04:12 Challenges and Realizations in Blogging

06:53 From Blog to Book: The Journey

07:31 Publishing Hurdles and Success

08:59 Content and Structure of the Book

10:38 Practical Advice for Security Cooperation Officers

14:54 The Importance of Adaptability and Learning

15:42 Travel Tips and Cultural Insights

40:21 The Should List: Dos and Don'ts for SCOs

47:36 Understanding Your Role and Building Consensus

48:36 Common Pitfalls in Security Cooperation

49:50 The African Love Traps and Other Hazards

50:48 Misuse of Government Resources

51:12 Managing Health and Stress

01:06:00 The Importance of Senior Leader Engagements

01:16:22 Managing Expectations and Avoiding False Promises

01:22:43 The Army FAO Association: Achievements and Future Plans

01:28:31 The Importance of Mentorship in FAO Careers

Meet MAJ(P) Promotable Jacob Myers, currently serving at the Military Advising Training Academy (MATA) at Fort Benning, Georgia. Our discussion covers the purpose and function of MATA, the development and training of military advisors, and the history and evolution of Security Force Assistance Brigades (SFABs). Myers elaborates on his experience in Latvia, the challenges of building rapport and training in a foreign country, and the rapidly changing dynamics in Eastern Europe following Russia's invasion of Ukraine. We also touch on FAO professional development, the importance of language skills, and the valuable interactions and learning opportunities throughout a FAO’s career.

 

Books Discussed:

Between Two Giants, Brit Batar

The Russians, Hedrick Smith

Kiril Yaskov, The Last Ring Bearer

 

00:00 Introduction and Disclaimers

00:45 Meet Major Promotable Jacob Myers

01:11 Understanding the Military Advising Training Academy (MATA)

02:29 History and Evolution of Security Force Assistance Brigades (SFABs)

06:53 Training and Deployment of Military Advisors

10:22 Challenges and Realities of Military Advising

14:05 Combat Advisor Training Course (CATC) Overview

19:14 Practical Training and Exercises

28:50 Expanding Training to Joint Forces and Foreign Partners

35:25 The Role of FAOs in SFABs

39:52 Personal Experience and Future Aspirations

43:51 Understanding the FAO Roles and Responsibilities

46:02 Navigating Challenges in Latvia During COVID-19

47:20 Impact of Russia's Invasion of Ukraine on Latvia

51:02 Strengthening US-Latvia Defense Relations

01:10:07 Language and Cultural Dynamics in Latvia

01:20:21 Jacob's Journey: From Basic Training to FAO Program

01:21:35 Joining the National Guard and Pursuing Active Duty

01:21:58 Transition to Active Duty and Deployment to Afghanistan

01:23:02 Experiences in Afghanistan and Promotion to Captain

01:25:20 Pentagon Assignment and Introduction to FAO

01:26:14 Discovering the FAO Program and Early Influences

01:29:58 Training and Assignments as a FAO

01:30:42 Language Training and Family Experiences

01:32:27 Marshall Center and Regional Travels

01:42:35 Importance of Building Relationships and Staying Informed

01:47:49 Final Thoughts and Advice for FAOs

What crisis was central to your experience working at a U.S. embassy abroad, for better or worse?

Join me in a discussion with COL(R) JP Gresh to discuss his  experiences in Russia, Ukraine, and the Balkans. The conversation highlights key moments such as the 2013-2014 Ukraine crisis, the challenges of security cooperation in Estonia, and the complexities of working in Russia. Additionally, Gresh shares insights into balancing professional and personal life with a spouse in the Department of State, and offers advice for future FAOs on training, career growth, and the importance of adaptability and maintaining strong interagency relationships. COL(R) Grech also serves as the Co-Editor-in-Chief of the FAOA Journal.

 

Books/Organizations Discussed

Black Swan, Nassim Nicholas Taleb

All the Kremlin’s Men, Mikhail Zygar

Between Two Fires, Joshua Yaffa

Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible, Peter Pomerantsev

FPRI (Foreign Policy Research Institute), www.fpri.org 

FAOA Journal, www.faoajournal.substack.com  

 

00:00 Introduction and Disclaimers

00:46 Meet Colonel JP Gresh

01:33 Early Military Career

02:51 Discovering the FAO Path

03:51 Experiences in Germany and the Balkans

05:52 Reflections on Iraq

10:37 Ukraine: First FAO Utilization Tour

13:47 The 2014 Ukrainian Crisis

15:57 US-Ukraine Military Relations

19:52 Strategic Insights on Russia and NATO

29:44 Lessons from UCOM and Security Cooperation

50:54 Balancing Dual Careers in the FAO World

54:14 Reflecting on Professional Challenges and Lessons Learned

56:44 Navigating a Tandem Career in the Department of State

57:19 Insights on Managing Dual Professional Careers

59:33 Experiences and Challenges in Russia

01:01:10 The Complex Relationship Between the U.S. and Russia

01:05:48 Living and Working in Moscow

01:08:54 Surveillance and Daily Life in Moscow

01:12:46 Diplomatic Restrictions and Challenges

01:18:27 Family Life and Safety in Russia

01:23:33 Post-Retirement and Contributions to the FAO Community

01:28:28 Reflections on FAO Training and Career

01:44:22 Final Thoughts and Parting Advice

In this episode of the Foreign Area Officer Podcast, I interview Julie Tully and her husband U.S. Navy CAPT(R) John Tulley. We discuss Julie's transition from a cowgirl in Northern California to a 'nomadic Navy spouse' and the dynamic journey from her career in agriculture to becoming a Foreign Area Officer (FAO) spouse, living and working in Europe and Africa for fifteen consecutive years. The conversation delves into the couple’s experiences living in Cameroon, Nigeria, and Djibouti and the impact of their roles there. They touch on memorable challenges, the importance of self-reliance, and the significant contributions spouses make to the FAO mission. Julie also shares the inspiration and stories behind her book, 'Dispatches from the Cowgirl,' offering a deeper look into the FAO lifestyle and its challenges and rewards.

 

Learn More about Julie’s work at www.JulieTullyWriter.com

 

Books Discussed:

Dispatches of a Cowgirl, by Julie Tully

Broadway in Benghazi, by Anna Linvill

Out of Africa, by Isak Dinesen (Karen Blixen)

 

00:00 Introduction and Disclaimers

00:45 Meet the Guests: John and Julie Tulley

01:19 Julie's Journey: From Cowgirl to Navy Spouse

03:37 Life on the Ranch and Transition to FAO

04:55 The FAO Lifestyle: Challenges and Adaptations

14:11 John's Naval Academy and Submarine Experience

19:16 Discovering the FAO Career Path

22:07 Julie's Perspective: Public Relations and FAO Life

25:46 Adventures and Challenges in Africa

34:16 The Importance of Teamwork in FAO Assignments

43:10 A Hospital Emergency Room in Nigeria

57:04 The Commissary Conundrum

59:10 Internet Surprises in Nigeria

59:47 Defining Home Across Continents

01:09:18 Experiencing Local Cultures Through Staff

01:34:19 Honoring a Fallen Hero in Djibouti

01:49:14 Reflections on the FAO Life