What Came Next

• 122: [Survivors for Change] Sharing a Root System

  Content warning: sexual abuse and child sexual abuse. It has been a great honor to host Mike Sacks and Kelly Gee on What Came Next prior to this conversation. Kelly first shared his experiences of abuse in episodes 51 and 52, entitled “Against Big Odds” and “What Happens Next,” which aired in January of 2024. Episodes 109 and 110, entitled “Silence is an Incubator” and “Up to Us to Protect,” were released over a year later and highlight Mike’s abuse experiences with the same hockey coach nearly a decade prior to Kelly's abuse. The two men, united by sharing their experiences in the media and a similar mission to change the world, created a non-profit organization called Survivors for Change. In this special episode of What Came Next, both men join us again to share about their process of developing a revolutionary program for survivors and their support systems in the wake of their healing. The Broken Cycle Media team extends our immense gratitude to the Survivors for Change team; it’s survivors and organizations like them that will enable the vicious cycle to end. Survivors for Change: https://www.survivorsforchange.org/ Survivors for Change Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheS4C/ Survivors for Change Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/weares4c/ Kelly Gee's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/goaliedr/ Mike Sacks's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/msackss4c/ [Mike Sacks] Silence is an Incubator // Part 1 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mike-sacks-silence-is-an-incubator-part-1/id1674051643?i=1000689894186 [Mike Sacks] Up to Us to Protect // Part 2 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mike-sacks-up-to-us-to-protect-part-2/id1674051643?i=1000692173278 [Kelly Gee] Against Big Odds // Part 1 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kelly-gee-against-big-odds-part-1/id1674051643?i=1000640625590 [Kelly Gee] What Happens Next // Part 2 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kelly-gee-what-happens-next-part-2/id1674051643?i=1000641401487 'I was one of them:' Survivor of alleged sexual abuse by hockey coach speaks out https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/1956786/2020/07/28/i-was-one-of-them-survivor-of-alleged-sexual-abuse-by-hockey-coach-speaks-out/ Three former players join lawsuit over alleged abuse by hockey coach Adrahtas https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4204181/2021/07/23/three-former-players-join-lawsuit-over-alleged-abuse-by-hockey-coach-adrahtas/ Resources: RAINN - Rape, Abuse, & Incest National Network: https://rainn.org/ National Alliance on Mental Health: https://www.nami.org/ For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

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• 121: [Kim] It Ripples Out // Part 2

  Content warning: child sexual abuse material, child sexual assault, sexual assault, nonconsensual pornography, sexual violence, sexual paraphilia, and pedophilia. Kim is a mother and nurse from Indiana. She reached out to the Broken Cycle Media team in hopes of sharing her story for the first time to bring awareness to a trajectory she never thought she would have had to traverse. Nearly a decade into her marriage, her whole life changed with a home raid by the FBI and several other criminal justice forces. The organizations would consequently find a large catalogue of child sexual abuse material in her then-husband’s possession. However, at the start, Kim was not aware of all facets of his crimes. It would eventually take her years to learn everything, as well as to receive what closure the legal system offered. We are so grateful that Kim was willing to highlight all that continues to come next for her and her children, and that she is sharing her immense fortitude and strength with our audience today. Sources: Case Law summary | i. SORNA Requirements | Office of Sex Offender Sentencing, Monitoring, Apprehending, Registering, and Tracking. (n.d.). Office of Sex Offender Sentencing, Monitoring, Apprehending, Registering, and Tracking. https://smart.ojp.gov/sorna/current-law/case-law/i-sorna-requirements International Megan’s Law of 2016 (P.L. 114-119) | U.S. Representative. (n.d.). https://chrissmith.house.gov/lawsandresolutions/international-megan-s-law.htm For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources. And don't forget to find Ice Cold Case wherever you listen to podcasts!

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• 120: [Kim] There Were No Words // Part 1

  Content warning: child sexual abuse material, child sexual assault, sexual assault, nonconsensual pornography, sexual violence, sexual paraphilia, and pedophilia.  Kim is a mother and nurse from Indiana. She reached out to the Broken Cycle Media team in hopes of sharing her story for the first time to bring awareness to a trajectory she never thought she would have had to traverse. Nearly a decade into her marriage, her whole life changed with a home raid by the FBI and several other criminal justice forces. The organizations would consequently find a large catalogue of child sexual abuse material in her then-husband’s possession. However, at the start, Kim was not aware of all facets of his crimes. It would eventually take her years to learn everything, as well as to receive what closure the legal system offered. We are so grateful that Kim was willing to highlight all that continues to come next for her and her children, and that she is sharing her immense fortitude and strength with our audience today. For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Green Chef for sponsoring this episode. Don’t forget: to make this spring your most delicious yet with Green Chef, head to greenchef.com/50WCN and use code 50WCN to get 50% off your first month, then 20% off for two months with free shipping! 

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• 119: [Hannah Vanderhorst] Change Will Occur // Part 2

  Content warning: assault, sexual assault, rape, serial rape, and nonconsensual pornography. As shared in part one of her story, Hannah Vanderhorst is a special education teacher and administrator living in Denver, Colorado. Having moved to the city in 2016, just before going through a breakup, Hannah turned to dating apps to expand her social circle and look for potential love. However, an October 2019 date changed her trajectory forever. It was on this date that she became a victim of a serial sexual predator, although she wouldn’t find that out until over three years after her assault. Hannah would then join a taxing legal battle to receive justice, witness legal change elicited by her and others’ experiences, and work to heal from the trauma. The Broken Cycle Media team is grateful that Hannah was willing to so selflessly share her story to bring awareness to our listeners. Sources: Allyn, B. (2024, February 15). Maker of Tinder, Hinge sued over “addictive” dating apps that put profits over love. NPR. https://www.npr.org/2024/02/14/1231513991/tinder-hinge-match-group-lawsuit Dugdale, E., & Harjani, H. (2025, March 6). Rape under wraps: how Tinder, Hinge and their corporate owner chose profits over safety. The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/13/tinder-hinge-match-investigation Maass, B. (2024, March 11). Colorado bill seeking to regulate dating apps passes through committee: “Something clearly has to be done.” CBS News. https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/colorado-lawmakers-seek-regulate-dating-apps-following-cardiologist-case/ Maass, B. (2024, October 26). Cardiologist Stephen Matthews sentenced to 158 years for drugging, sexually assaulting Colorado women he met on dating apps. CBS News. https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/stephen-matthews-sentenced-158-years-drugging-sexually-assaulting-women-met-dating-apps-cardiologist/ Online-Facilitated Misconduct & Remote Tracking | Colorado General Assembly. (n.d.). Colorado General Assembly. https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb24-011 Schweitzer, A. (2025, February 25). Online dating giant Match Group is slow to remove dangerous daters, investigation finds. NPR. https://www.npr.org/2025/02/21/nx-s1-5301046/match-group-dating-app-tinder-hinge-assault-cases-investigation https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/stephen-matthews-verdict/73-b3d763d5-5469-4852-a86a-e4c64d740ef7 For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

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• 118: [Hannah Vanderhorst] Something So Sinister // Part 1

  Content warning: assault, sexual assault, rape, serial rape, and nonconsensual pornography.  Hannah Vanderhorst is a special education teacher and administrator living in Denver, Colorado. Having moved to the city in 2016, just before going through a breakup, Hannah turned to dating apps to expand her social circle and look for potential love. However, an October 2019 date changed her trajectory forever. It was on this date that she became a victim of a serial sexual predator, although she wouldn’t find that out until over three years after her assault. Hannah would then join a taxing legal battle to receive justice, witness legal change elicited by her and others’ experiences, and work to heal from the trauma. The Broken Cycle Media team is grateful that Hannah was willing to so selflessly share her story to bring awareness to our listeners. Sources: Maass, B. (2024, October 26). Cardiologist Stephen Matthews sentenced to 158 years for drugging, sexually assaulting Colorado women he met on dating apps. CBS News. https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/stephen-matthews-sentenced-158-years-drugging-sexually-assaulting-women-met-dating-apps-cardiologist/ For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

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