It's Not the Car

Just what makes a professional race driver a pro? What separates the best of the best?
Speed, obviously. Also things like focus, experience, dedication, attention to detail. But around the world, from IMSA to IndyCar and Formula 1, one simple quality unites the world’s best ’shoes and keeps them at each other’s throats. 
It's the constant, unstoppable urge to get better. And it's more complicated than you think.
INTC co-host Ross Bentley has spent decades coaching some of the world’s fastest and most successful pro drivers. So we talked about that!
This show’s format rotates weekly, because squirrel. We call this format “THE DEEP DIVE.”
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TIMESTAMPS:
02:41 – Being Adaptable / Mental Models
09:10 – Sam and VIR and the Brake Lessons
15:37 – Pros and the Growth Mindset
22:45 – Using Lap Timers the Wrong Way
29:48 – Asking Why / Wrapping Up

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This episode was produced by Sam Smith. 
Thanks, as always, to our friends at BFGoodrich for supporting the show!
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ABOUT THE SHOW:
It’s Not the Car is a podcast about people and speed. We tell racing stories and leave out the boring parts.
Ross Bentley is a former IndyCar driver, a bestselling author, and a world-renowned performance coach. Jeff Braun is a champion race engineer. Sam Smith is an award-winning writer and a former executive editor of Road & Track magazine.
We don’t love racing for the nuts and bolts—we love it for what it asks of the meatbag at the wheel.
New episodes every other Tuesday.

Warning: This one’s for the nerds. And us! Because we are nerds. 
(Perhaps you hadn’t noticed? In which case, bless you, my sweet summer child.)
This episode has everything: Corvettes! Math! A man named Brendan wearing a hat for hours! Plus, 45 minutes of into-the-weeds nerdy explainer on the strange logic of a winning pro race strategy!
INTC co-host Jeff Braun just wrapped his third season as comp director for an IMSA Corvette team. For the third year in a row, that team has won IMSA’s Bob Akin Award, the “championship within a championship” where the prize is an invite to compete in the 24 Hours of Le Mans.
The Akin win took guts, math, and much planning. And now Jeff explains it all. Like Clarissa.
This show’s format rotates weekly, because squirrel. We call this format “RIPPED FROM THE HEADLINES.”
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TIMESTAMPS:
02:09 – Petit Le Mans 2026!
06:29 – The Akin Award Chess Match
26:06 – Fuel-Save Gambles
27:46 – Mind Games and Strategerery
30:59 – Late-Race Chaos Schlamozzle
34:26 – Jeff's Next Steps, Season End!

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This episode was produced by Sam Smith. 
Thanks, as always, to our friends at BFGoodrich for supporting the show!
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ABOUT THE SHOW:
It’s Not the Car is a podcast about people and speed. We tell racing stories and leave out the boring parts.
Ross Bentley is a former IndyCar driver, a bestselling author, and a world-renowned performance coach. Jeff Braun is a champion race engineer. Sam Smith is an award-winning writer and a former executive editor of Road & Track magazine.
We don’t love racing for the nuts and bolts—we love it for what it asks of the meatbag at the wheel.
New episodes every other Tuesday.

How do you build a racing school from scratch? INTC co-host Ross Bentley has done it multiple times—and he famously helped start Washington State’s world-renowned DirtFish Rally School.
This episode has everything: Whales. Islands. Subarus. The philosophy of teaching and culture. Plus a small coastal race track accessible mostly by ferry. 
We talk about how the best coaches in the world deal with egos and beginners, why the words “slow down" are counterproductive on a race track, and how the best coaching move is sometimes just distraction. Plus, there’s a lightning round and an Indy 500 legend named Dick who used to sell insurance.  
(That is not a joke. Dick Simon is a legend and don’t you forget it.)
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TIMESTAMPS:
02:40 – Building a Racing School
08:56 – How to Approach Beginners
11:15 – Culture and Student Egos
28:20 – The One Thing You Start With
31:30 – Lightning Round Questions for Ross
40:54 – Is Coaching From the Right Seat Worth it?

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This episode was produced by Sam Smith. 
Thanks, as always, to our friends at BFGoodrich for supporting the show!
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ABOUT THE SHOW:
It’s Not the Car is a podcast about people and speed. We tell racing stories and leave out the boring parts.
Ross Bentley is a former IndyCar driver, a bestselling author, and a world-renowned performance coach. Jeff Braun is a champion race engineer. Sam Smith is an award-winning writer and a former executive editor of Road & Track magazine.
We don’t love racing for the nuts and bolts—we love it for what it asks of the meatbag at the wheel.
New episodes every other Tuesday.

You’re not scared. Right?
Tom Roberts is a driver coach, an aerobatic pilot, a racer, a Buddhist, a former dentist, and a student of fear at the wheel. 
His new book, From Fear to Flow: Transform Your Ego and Uncover the Life You Were Meant to Live, unpacks the relationship between fear and peak human performance.
(Spoiler: It’s complicated.)
FUN FACT: For the last decade, Tom and INTC co-host Ross Bentley have taken a small group of driving students to the Nürburgring—probably the single most intimidating race track on earth.
What can you learn about fear and flow from crashing at Spa, coaching drivers at the world’s largest road course, doing charity dental work in Tibet, and helping Nepalese lamas build a monastery?
An awful lot, as it turns out. And we talked about all of it.
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TIMESTAMPS:
03:10 – Tom and Ross and the Ring Trips
05:39 – Getting Into Racing and Flying
11:15 – Flow State vs. Ego and Fear
26:34 – Parenting and Roots
28:26 – Fighting Ego at the Ring
32:51 – Anxiety and Flow
52:14 – What to Do About It? (and Fun)
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CHECK OUT TOM’S BOOK: 
https://amplifypublishinggroup.com/product/nonfiction/health-medicine-and-wellness/mental-health/from-fear-to-flow/
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This episode was produced by Sam Smith. 
Thanks, as always, to our friends at BFGoodrich for supporting the show!
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ABOUT THE SHOW:
It’s Not the Car is a podcast about people and speed. We tell racing stories and leave out the boring parts.
Ross Bentley is a former IndyCar driver, a bestselling author, and a world-renowned performance coach. Jeff Braun is a champion race engineer. Sam Smith is an award-winning writer and a former executive editor of Road & Track magazine.
We don’t love racing for the nuts and bolts—we love it for what it asks of the meatbag at the wheel.
New episodes every other Tuesday.

Big announcement in this one, kids! No spoilers! Especially not having to do with the one and only Roger Penske, no sir!
This is one of our rare “chat” shows—Jeff, Ross, and Sam gone full chill hang. With this one, they're together on the mic for the first time in months, catching up after a long summer. 
(We almost never do this, but you guys have asked for it, so it’s a pleasure!)
Timestamps:
02:57 – “One Night Only” — Jeff’s Son Wrote a Hollywood Movie!
05:53 – Ross Goes Full Nürburgring Recap
17:25 – Jeff Makes a Life Change
31:38 – The Importance of Being Earnest
34:33 – Avoiding Burnout in Things You Love
41:08 – Bucket Lists and the Jeff Braun Kyle Busch Story
(Confession time: We almost titled this episode, “THE ONE WHERE JEFF DOESN’T TELL ROGER PENSKE NO.” But that just seemed cheap.)
(We have standards, you know?)
(Stop laughing. We do! Really!)
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This show’s format rotates weekly, because squirrel. We call this format “OFF THE CUFF.”
This episode was produced by Sam Smith. 
Thanks, as always, to our friends at BFGoodrich for supporting the show!
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Check out Sam's book!
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ABOUT THE SHOW:
It’s Not the Car is a podcast about people and speed. We tell racing stories and leave out the boring parts.
Ross Bentley is a former IndyCar driver, a bestselling author, and a world-renowned performance coach. Jeff Braun is a champion race engineer. Sam Smith is an award-winning writer and a former executive editor of Road & Track magazine.
We don’t love racing for the nuts and bolts—we love it for what it asks of the meatbag at the wheel.
New episodes every other Tuesday.