Mental Work

Bron is joined by Fiona Mann (Clinical Psychologist and Board-Approved Supervisor) to chat about balancing parenting young children with building a career in psychology. Fiona shares how she fell pregnant halfway through her clinical Masters, worked through her registrar program with twins on the way, and now works in a NICU (Neonatal Intensive Care Unit), plus what she has learnt about flexibility, boundaries and redefining success.
They chat about:
👉🏽 Going through Masters, placements and registrar training with young children
👉🏻 Overwhelm, sick kids and blurred boundaries between work and home
👉 Answering a listener question about hours, childcare and not feeling alone
👉🏿 Managing NICU work while parenting
Thank you for generously sharing your experiences Fiona, it was a pleasure to have you on! 😊✨
Guest: Fiona Mann, Clinical Psychologist and Board-Approved Supervisor
LINKS
Email Fiona (she is open to supervision enquiries or an email exchange about this topic)!
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Mental Work is the podcast for psychologists about the realities of working in mental health, with an early-career focus. Hosted by psychologist/researcher Dr Bronwyn Milkins.
Support the show by buying me a virtual coffee ☕🍵
Have a question, episode idea or just want to say hi? DM Bron on Instagram, leave a comment on the Spotify episode, or email mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com
Apply to be a guest / YouTube (with captions & transcript) / Website
CREDITS
Producer: Michael English
Music: Home
Commitment: Mental Work believes in an inclusive and diverse mental health workforce. We honour the strength, resilience, and invaluable contributions of mental health workers with lived experiences of mental illness, disability, neurodivergence, LGBTIQA+ identities, and diverse culture and language. We recognise our First Nations colleagues as Traditional Custodians of the land and pay respect to Elders past, present, and emerging. Mental Work is recorded on unceded Whadjuk Noongar boodja.
Disclaimer: Mental Work provides informational content. Mental Work is not a psychological service and being a listener or guest does not establish a therapeutic relationship. Content should not be considered a replacement for professional consultation or therapy. All views expressed are personal, subject to change, and do not represent those of any affiliated employer, service, or organisation past or present. Efforts are made to ensure accuracy, but opinions may not always align with fact. Listeners are encouraged to thoughtfully assess the information presented and report any inaccuracies or concerns via email. Further information can be found here.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Bron is joined by Jordan Turner (Educational and Developmental Psychologist) to unpack how to work well with clients who have ADHD. Both are ADHDers themselves and passionate about delivering neurodiversity-affirming, helpful therapy for ADHD clients.
They chat about:
👉🏽 What ADHD is, why the DSM criteria only tell part of the story, and where executive functioning fits
👉🏻 Assessment pathways, and how to tell ADHD apart from anxiety and depression
👉 The core principles of neurodiversity-affirming practice
👉🏿 Practical in-session tips, plus CBT, ACT and DBT approaches that may resonate and be helpful for ADHDers
Guest: Jordan Turner - Educational and Developmental Psychologist
LINKS
Mental Work episode: What's it like being a neurodivergent therapist? (with Jordan Turner)
Smart but Scattered book series, by Peg Dawson and Richard Guare
The Neurodivergent Friendly Workbook of DBT Skills, by Sonny Jane Wise
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Mental Work is the podcast for psychologists about the realities of working in mental health, with an early-career focus. Hosted by psychologist/researcher Dr Bronwyn Milkins.
Support the show by buying me a virtual coffee ☕🍵
Have a question, episode idea or just want to say hi? DM Bron on Instagram, leave a comment on the Spotify episode, or email mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com
Apply to be a guest / YouTube (with captions & transcript) / Website
CREDITS
Producer: Michael English
Music: Home
Commitment: Mental Work believes in an inclusive and diverse mental health workforce. We honour the strength, resilience, and invaluable contributions of mental health workers with lived experiences of mental illness, disability, neurodivergence, LGBTIQA+ identities, and diverse culture and language. We recognise our First Nations colleagues as Traditional Custodians of the land and pay respect to Elders past, present, and emerging. Mental Work is recorded on unceded Whadjuk Noongar boodja.
Disclaimer: Mental Work provides informational content. Mental Work is not a psychological service and being a listener or guest does not establish a therapeutic relationship. Content should not be considered a replacement for professional consultation or therapy. All views expressed are personal, subject to change, and do not represent those of any affiliated employer, service, or organisation past or present. Efforts are made to ensure accuracy, but opinions may not always align with fact. Listeners are encouraged to thoughtfully assess the information presented and report any inaccuracies or concerns via email. Further information can be found here.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Bron is joined by Matthew Jackson (Psychologist) to unpack psychologist myths and facts, quickfire style. Bron presents the myths (which Matthew has not heard before!) and Matthew weighs in, from whether therapists secretly judge clients to whether you can only take clients as far as you've gone yourself.
They chat about:
👉🏽 Judging clients and having favourite clients
👉🏻 Does charging a fee for therapy mean you don't care?
👉 Feeling lost in sessions and whether the therapeutic relationship is enough
👉🏿 Do you need to be smarter than your clients to do good therapy?
Guest: Matthew Jackson, Psychologist and Board-Approved Supervisor
LINKS
Matt's Insta for Matilda Mercury
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Mental Work is the podcast for psychologists about the realities of working in mental health, with an early-career focus. Hosted by psychologist/researcher Dr Bronwyn Milkins.
Support the show by buying me a virtual coffee ☕🍵
Have a question, episode idea or just want to say hi? DM Bron on Instagram, leave a comment on the Spotify episode, or email mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com
Apply to be a guest / YouTube (with captions & transcript) / Website
CREDITS
Producer: Michael English
Music: Home
Commitment: Mental Work believes in an inclusive and diverse mental health workforce. We honour the strength, resilience, and invaluable contributions of mental health workers with lived experiences of mental illness, disability, neurodivergence, LGBTIQA+ identities, and diverse culture and language. We recognise our First Nations colleagues as Traditional Custodians of the land and pay respect to Elders past, present, and emerging. Mental Work is recorded on unceded Whadjuk Noongar boodja.
Disclaimer: Mental Work provides informational content. Mental Work is not a psychological service and being a listener or guest does not establish a therapeutic relationship. Content should not be considered a replacement for professional consultation or therapy. All views expressed are personal, subject to change, and do not represent those of any affiliated employer, service, or organisation past or present. Efforts are made to ensure accuracy, but opinions may not always align with fact. Listeners are encouraged to thoughtfully assess the information presented and report any inaccuracies or concerns via email. Further information can be found here.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Bron is joined by Marie Vakakis (Mental Health Social Worker and couples therapist) to chat about working with couples who stonewall, withdraw, and shut down. Marie unpacks the Gottman Method's "Four Horsemen" and shares exactly what to say and do when a couple's session starts to unravel. I found the episode really helpful for individual work, too!
They chat about:
👉🏽 The Four Horsemen: Criticism, Defensiveness, Contempt and Stonewalling
👉🏻 The specific antidotes to each pattern, including the "I feel, when, I need" formula
👉 How to recognise nervous system overwhelm and pause a session safely
👉🏿 Common mistakes early-career clinicians make starting out in couples work
Guest: Marie Vakakis, Accredited mental health social worker and couples therapist
LINKS
Marie's practice - The Therapy Hub
Marie's podcast - Inside Social Work podcast
Marie's other podcast - This Complex Life podcast
Marie's website
Marie on LinkedIn
The Seven Principles for Making Marriage Work by John Gottman
Fight Right by John and Julie Gottman
Marie's previous Mental Work episode on couples work
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Mental Work is the podcast for psychologists about the realities of working in mental health, with an early-career focus. Hosted by psychologist/researcher Dr Bronwyn Milkins.
Support the show by buying me a virtual coffee ☕🍵
Have a question, episode idea or just want to say hi? DM Bron on Instagram, leave a comment on the Spotify episode, or email mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com
Apply to be a guest / YouTube (with captions & transcript) / Website
CREDITS
Producer: Michael English
Music: Home
Commitment: Mental Work believes in an inclusive and diverse mental health workforce. We honour the strength, resilience, and invaluable contributions of mental health workers with lived experiences of mental illness, disability, neurodivergence, LGBTIQA+ identities, and diverse culture and language. We recognise our First Nations colleagues as Traditional Custodians of the land and pay respect to Elders past, present, and emerging. Mental Work is recorded on unceded Whadjuk Noongar boodja.
Disclaimer: Mental Work provides informational content. Mental Work is not a psychological service and being a listener or guest does not establish a therapeutic relationship. Content should not be considered a replacement for professional consultation or therapy. All views expressed are personal, subject to change, and do not represent those of any affiliated employer, service, or organisation past or present. Efforts are made to ensure accuracy, but opinions may not always align with fact. Listeners are encouraged to thoughtfully assess the information presented and report any inaccuracies or concerns via email. Further information can be found here.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Bron is joined by Krasi Kirova (Clinical Psychologist) to chat about identifying coercive control in the therapy room. Krasi shares her own '3Ds' framework, built from years of clinical work, to help clinicians name abuse that doesn't always look obvious.
They chat about:
👉🏽 Krasi's '3Ds' framework: Disrespect, Disempowerment and Distortion
👉🏻 Why coercive control is so often missed by psychologists
👉 The concept of "perspecticide" and how abusers distort reality
👉🏿 Practical questions to ask clients who might be experiencing it
Guest: Krasi Kirova, Clinical psychologist
LINKS
Learn more with Krasi! She has an online course for psychologists & mental health practitioners on recognising coercive control, available here.
Krasi's website
DV Alert training - Free training on domestic abuse in Australia
Safe and Equal (formerly Domestic Violence Resource Centre Victoria)
Safe and Together Institute
See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill - Highly recommended book!
Why Does He Do That? by Lundy Bancroft
Laura Richards - Resources including the Domestic Abuse, Stalking and Honour Based Violence (DASH 2009-2025) Risk Identification, Assessment and Management Model
Emma Katz's Substack on decoding coercive control
Ramani Durvasula
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Mental Work is the podcast for psychologists about the realities of working in mental health, with an early-career focus. Hosted by psychologist/researcher Dr Bronwyn Milkins.
Support the show by buying me a virtual coffee ☕🍵
Have a question, episode idea or just want to say hi? DM Bron on Instagram, leave a comment on the Spotify episode, or email mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com
Apply to be a guest / YouTube (with captions & transcript) / Website
CREDITS
Producer: Michael English
Music: Home
Commitment: Mental Work believes in an inclusive and diverse mental health workforce. We honour the strength, resilience, and invaluable contributions of mental health workers with lived experiences of mental illness, disability, neurodivergence, LGBTIQA+ identities, and diverse culture and language. We recognise our First Nations colleagues as Traditional Custodians of the land and pay respect to Elders past, present, and emerging. Mental Work is recorded on unceded Whadjuk Noongar boodja.
Disclaimer: Mental Work provides informational content. Mental Work is not a psychological service and being a listener or guest does not establish a therapeutic relationship. Content should not be considered a replacement for professional consultation or therapy. All views expressed are personal, subject to change, and do not represent those of any affiliated employer, service, or organisation past or present. Efforts are made to ensure accuracy, but opinions may not always align with fact. Listeners are encouraged to thoughtfully assess the information presented and report any inaccuracies or concerns via email. Further information can be found here.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.