CoinDesk Podcast Network

In his first interview since declaring the ElizaOS token dead, Eliza Labs Founder Shaw Walters sits down with CoinDesk's Jennifer Sanasie to lay out what he says actually happened. He also makes a broader case for why crypto's casino culture is actively driving out the builders who could make the space matter and why he's still coding Eliza every day regardless.

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Timecodes:

00:00 - Shaw Walters Joins CoinDesk
02:23 - “Why Do People Think I Owe Them Anything?"
06:35 - How AI16Z Started: A $75K Joke That Hit $2.6 Billion
10:49 - Does He Regret Launching the Token?
11:43 - Crypto “Needs to Die And…Be Restarted"
15:34 - On the Burwick Lawsuit: "It Was a Total Scam"18:36 - "The Casino Is Not the Industry"
20:40 - Why He’s Still Building Eliza 24:00 - "Stay Away From All of This and Invest In Yourself"

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This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie. This interview has been edited for clarity and focus.

With the CLARITY Act pushed to September and $130 million drained in the Coldcard exploit, Crypto Market Analyst Ray Salmond joins Jennifer Sanasie on Markets Outlook to unpack Fed rate odds, Bitcoin’s four-year cycle, and the key metrics to watch ahead of a potential CLARITY Act vote. Plus, in today’s Brand New Rails, we explore how Dinari is bringing U.S. stocks on-chain.

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Timecodes:

00:00 - Ray Salmond Joins Markets Outlook

00:55 - Jobs Report and the Fed

01:58 - Bitcoin's Ceiling and the CLARITY Act Delay

02:26 - Why CLARITY Stalled: Banks, Stablecoins, and the Trump Cloud

04:32 - How Crypto Markets Will Front-Run the CLARITY Vote

06:39 - Brand New Rails: Dinari Brings US Stocks On-Chain

09:26 - Bitcoin's Four-Year Cycle: Still Intact?

12:26 - The Coldcard Hack: An Ideological Blow to Self-Custody

15:06 - Beyond Bitcoin: RWA, Prediction Markets, and the Altcoin Reality

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Is CLARITY dead?

The U.S. Senate is set to break for summer recess without voting on the Clarity Act, pushing the crypto market structure bill to September at the earliest. With passage odds slipping, some in the industry argue the SEC and CFTC can fill the gap through guidance alone. CoinDesk's Jennifer Sanasie hosts "CoinDesk Daily."

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This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie. “CoinDesk Daily” is produced by Jennifer Sanasie and edited by Victor Chen.

Sandisk and Western Digital shares fell after record earnings.

Sandisk and Western Digital both fell despite record quarterly results, a sign the AI trade may be stalling. With gold climbing and bitcoin holding above $64,000, is this a sign that traders are seeing capital rotating back toward crypto? CoinDesk's Jennifer Sanasie hosts "CoinDesk Daily."

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This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie. “CoinDesk Daily” is produced by Jennifer Sanasie and edited by Victor Chen.

JPEG Trading Co-Founder Kevin March joins CoinDesk's Sam Ewen to break down how his firm is building end-to-end liquidity for new crypto assets and why DeFi lending is the innovation most likely to make the space useful long-term. He explains how tokenized stocks are seeing organic, consistent growth in 2026, why prediction markets are one of crypto's best UX wins yet, and what agentic AI trading actually looks like in practice.

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Timecodes:

00:00 - JPEG Trading Founder Kevin March Joins CoinDesk

00:37 - What JPEG Trading Does and How It Started

04:39 - Why DeFi Lending Is Crypto's Most Important Innovation

09:44 - Borrowing Against Real-World Assets Without a Bank

12:19 - Tokenized Stocks Are Seeing Organic, Consistent Growth

15:30 - JPEG's Role in Prediction Market Liquidity

19:39 - The Reality of AI and Agentic Trading

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JPEG Trading is a global proprietary trading firm specializing in cryptocurrency and decentralized finance markets. From market structure and liquidity provision to quantitative trading strategies, JPEG Trading operates across the full spectrum of blockchain-based assets. Follow @jpegtrading on X to stay ahead of the latest developments in digital asset markets: https://x.com/jpegtrading