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Ran Neuner, Founder of Crypto Banter, joins Coindesk’s Jennifer Sanasie on Markets Outlook with charts in hand to explain why Bitcoin's pullback from $82K is textbook post-golden-cross behavior, and why he thinks the real story is what comes next. Neuner breaks down Scott Bessent's Treasury buybacks as the engine of the rally, why ETH just broke a nine-year downtrend against Bitcoin, and why he's rotating out of layer ones and into apps with real users and revenue.

Plus, Energy Substantiation Co-Founder Wil Harris joins Brand New Rails to explain why hard-to-custody assets, like oil, are tokenization's real frontier.

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Timecodes:

00:00 - Ran Neuner Joins Markets Outlook

00:45 - The Golden Cross and Bitcoin's Pullback

02:31 - Bessent's Buybacks and Why $6B Disappointed the Market

03:56 - Oil, the War, and Trump's $1.4T Stimulus Promise

06:47 - Brand New Rails: Tokenized WTI Crude Oil

09:37 - "Crypto's Biggest Bull Market Ever"

11:33 - ETH Breaks a Nine-Year Downtrend Against Bitcoin

14:03 - Altcoins to 7X Bitcoin? Crypto's Product Market Fit

18:02 - Why AI Agents Are Crypto's Real Use Case

19:54 - What Makes an Altcoin Win: Users, Revenue, Buybacks

Nasdaq's Ventures invested $100 million in Payward, the parent company of crypto exchange Kraken. Payward Chief Commercial Officer Mark Greenberg joins Jennifer Sanasie to explain what the deal unlocks: from bringing Nasdaq's traditional equities on-chain as permissioned tokens, to new collaborations on market surveillance, data, and expanding xStocks to more markets. Plus, insights into Kraken's shift from a crypto-only exchange to a multi-asset platform and the company's 2027 IPO timeline.

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This episode is brought to you by Grayscale, the world's largest digital asset-focused investment platform. Grayscale's mission is to make digital asset investing simple and open to every investor. Learn more at grayscale.com.

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This episode is brought to you by RealFi, a smarter stablecoin, backed by real-world assets. Join the Testnet now at realfi.co.

On this episode of CoinDesk's Public Keys from the New York Stock Exchange, host Jennifer Sanasie is joined by special guest co-host Ophelia Snyder, Co-Founder of 21Shares.

Payward Chief Commercial Officer Mark Greenberg breaks down Kraken parent Payward's new partnerships with SoFi and the London Stock Exchange, and how xStocks is bringing tokenized equities and 24/7 markets to investors around the world.

Bullish Exchange President Chris Tyrer unpacks Bullish's $4.2 billion acquisition of transfer agent Equiniti, its first tokenized-share trades on a GFSC-regulated venue, and the competing models shaping the future of tokenized stocks.

Plus, Sanasie and Snyder break down another billion-dollar week for Bitcoin and Ethereum ETFs and what shifting macro conditions could mean for crypto.

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Chapters/Timecodes:

00:00 Welcome to Public Keys

00:40 Has the Mood Shifted on the Clarity Act?

03:32 The ColdCard Hack and the Case for Intermediaries

05:26 Payward's Mark Greenberg Joins

05:47 Inside the London Stock Exchange xStocks Deal

07:11 Will xStocks Come to the US?

08:41 The AMC-Robinhood Tokenized Stock Spat

09:57 Why Issuers Should Embrace Tokenized Equities

11:13 Nasdaq Equity Tokens and Yield on xStocks

13:20 Bullish's Chris Tyrer on the $4.2B Equiniti Deal

14:23 The Three Models of Tokenized Equity

15:10 Who Owns Your Stock? Cede & Co. and Issuer Visibility

17:51 Tokenization as the Next Mega Trend

19:31 Turning Shareholders Into Members

21:31 Tokenization, NFTs, and the Governance Problem

24:28 Another $1.2B Week for BTC and ETH ETFs

25:04 Reading the Flows: Macro and a Bitcoin Regime

27:47 Alt Flows and the First US Staked TRON ETF

An Anthropic researcher warns AI could kill us all.

A researcher who spent three years on pretraining at OpenAI and Anthropic resigned with a warning that the labs are racing toward self-improving superintelligence that could kill everyone by the end of the decade. Anthropic's own alignment lead put the odds above 10%. CoinDesk's Jennifer Sanasie hosts "CoinDesk Daily."

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This episode is brought to you by Grayscale, the world's largest digital asset-focused investment platform. Grayscale's mission is to make digital asset investing simple and open to every investor. Learn more at grayscale.com.

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This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie. “CoinDesk Daily” is produced by Jennifer Sanasie and edited by Victor Chen.

Hunter Biden is launching a LAPTOP memecoin.

Hunter Biden is launching a memecoin called LAPTOP on Base, named after the laptop he left at a Delaware repair shop in 2019. Founders get 30% of the 1 billion supply, and part of the airdrop targets wallets underwater on the TRUMP token. CoinDesk's Jennifer Sanasie hosts "CoinDesk Daily."

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This episode is brought to you by Grayscale, the world's largest digital asset-focused investment platform. Grayscale's mission is to make digital asset investing simple and open to every investor. Learn more at grayscale.com.

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This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie. “CoinDesk Daily” is produced by Jennifer Sanasie and edited by Victor Chen.