The Talk Show With John Gruber

• 429: ‘Weird Turtle Fake Out’, With Matthew Panzarino

  Matthew Panzarino returns to the show. Topics include 007 logo creator Joe Caroff’s death at 103, Google’s weird “Made by Google” event hosted by Jimmy Fallon, the UK supposedly dropping its demand for an iCloud encryption backdoor, and Apple’s workaround for the Apple Watch blood oxygen sensor patent stalemate.

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• 428: ‘Michigan-Starred Fine Dining’, With Louie Mantia

  Special guest Louie Mantia joins the show to talk about Liquid Glass, the various OS 26 updates, and the worrisome state of Apple's UI design overall. Also: sandwiches.

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• 427: ‘The Shift-2 Crowd’, With Jason Snell

  Jason Snell returns to the show to talk about the early PC platform rivalries of the 1980s, iOS 26 leaks (and Apple suing YouTuber Jon Prosser), the various Apple OS 26 public betas and the state of Liquid Glass, and more. (Where by “more” I mean a little baseball and keyboard nerdery.)

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• 426: ‘The Cutting Edge Latest Supermodel’, With David Smith

  Special guest David Smith returns to the show for a developer's perspective look at WWDC 2025.

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• 426: ‘The Cutting Edge Latest Supermodel’, With David Smith

  Special guest David Smith returns to the show for a developer's perspective look at WWDC 2025.

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