Unchained

• How the Competition Will Play Out in the Great Stablecoin Race - Ep. 936

  In this episode of Unchained, Laura is joined by Rob Hadick, General Partner at Dragonfly, and Sam MacPherson, Co-founder and CEO of Phoenix Labs, to break down the fast-moving world of stablecoins and stablechains. They discuss Ethena’s USDe $5 billion drop, the rise of “stablecoin-as-a-service” models, the emergence of payment-focused blockchains like Tempo and Codex, and the return of TradFi heavyweights like Visa, Mastercard, and Western Union to the digital dollar race. From liquidity challenges to regulatory shakeups and tokenized deposits, the conversation explores what it really takes to win the stablecoin wars, and, importantly, whether any of these players can even make a scratch to king Tether. Thank you to our sponsors! Binance Guests: Rob Hadick, General Partner at Dragonfly Sam MacPherson, Co-founder and CEO of Phoenix Labs Links: Previous coverage on Unchained: Stablecoins Are Popping Up Everywhere. What’s the End Game? Why Every Chain Suddenly Wants Its OWN Stablecoin - The Chopping Block Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro and ads: Binance 📉 1:09 Why Ethena’s USDe plunged from $15B to $10B 🔮 5:34 Rob’s view on the future of Ethena 💸 7:06 Why Spark exited Ethena despite being an early believer ⚔️ 11:32 Protocol-native stablecoins—and why Rob and Sam disagree about the trend 💡 21:03 What it really takes to win the stablecoin wars + what makes Tempo's strategy “interesting” 💳 32:11 Tether’s USAT launch: can it succeed? 🏦 36:27 How Tether and Ripple are using the same acquisition playbook 🔥 39:40 Plasma’s emissions strategy and whether it’s sustainable 🏛️ 44:10 Inside Circle’s Arc testnet and its 100+ institutional partners ⛓️ 51:08 Codex and the debate: should stablechains be L1s or L2s? 💵 56:42 How Spark aims to stand out in the new wave of stablecoin competition 🏢 1:00:04 Why TradFi players are entering the space with so much strength 🚀 1:06:04 Why Rob remains so bullish on the future of stablecoins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• Ex-Citi Chief Economist on Gold, Bitcoin and the Debasement of the US Dollar - Ep. 935

  Gold may have history, but does it have a future? Former Citi Chief Economist Willem Buiter joins Unchained Executive Editor Steve Ehrlich to argue that gold’s “6,000-year bubble” is long overdue to burst.  He explains why he thinks central banks should dump their bullion, why Bitcoin isn’t a reliable store of value, and why fully backed stablecoins and central-bank digital currencies could define the next era of money. He also touches on Trump’s influence on the Fed, tokenized deposits and the future of stablecoins. Thank you to our sponsors! Binance Guest: Willem Buiter, Independent Economic Advisor, Previously Global Chief Economist at Citigroup Timestamps: 💰 0:00 Introduction 🏺 0:28 Is gold really in a 6,000-year bubble? 🫧 4:33 Why Willem says some bubbles can last forever 💵 7:16 What to make of the dollar’s debasement and why other currencies aren’t better 🚫 11:56 Why Willem doesn’t believe in Bitcoin as a store of value 🪙 16:32 Why he says fully backed stablecoins could define the future of money 🏦 19:10 Are tokenized deposits a breakthrough or a threat to the monetary system? 🌐 22:36 Why Willem supports central bank digital currencies 🔢 27:51 Will the world end up with hundreds of stablecoins? 📊 31:23 Is the Fed quietly shifting its inflation target to 3%? ⚖️ 33:57 How Trump’s pressure could undermine Fed independence 🚀 37:39 Why Willem is bullish on tokenized assets Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• Sharplink CEO on Why ETH Will Soon See a Boom in Demand: Bits + Bips - Ep. 934

  In this episode of Bits + Bips, former BlackRock executive and SharpLink co-CEO Joseph Chalom joins hosts Austin Campbell, Chris Perkins, and Ram Ahluwalia to discuss why the Federal Reserve may move to ease rates despite a “Goldilocks” economy, the growing role of stablecoins in foreign exchange and settlement, and how major banks like JPMorgan and Citi are expanding their use of blockchain.  The conversation also explores Japan’s first yen-backed stablecoin, the implications of AI for the labor market, and the generational shift that could make crypto wallets the default interface for finance. Plus, the implications of CZ’s pardon and why it’s “bullish” to have Mike Selig chairing the CFTC. Sponsors: Binance Mantle Hosts: Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Austin Campbell, NYU Stern professor and founder and managing partner of Zero Knowledge Consulting Christopher Perkins, Managing Partner and President of CoinFund Guest:  Joseph Chalom, Co-CEO of SharpLink Gaming, Inc. Links: Reuters: Fed poised to cut rates this week, with more easing likely on tap WSJ: Trump Considers Fed Chair Selection by Year-End From Slate of Five Finalists CoinDesk: Gov. Waller: U.S. Fed to 'Embrace Disruption,' Pitches 'Skinny' Master Account Idea Reuters: World's first yen-pegged stablecoin debuts in Japan EF: ERC-8004: Trustless Agents Bloomberg: JPMorgan to Allow Bitcoin, Ether as Collateral in Crypto Push Unchained: Trump Pardons Binance Founder CZ CNBC: Trump names Michael Selig to chair CFTC; Selig cites crypto capital goal Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 💸 3:23 Why the Fed will likely still cut rates despite a “Goldilocks” economy 👷‍♂️ 6:47 Why Joseph says the labor market is at a “moment that matters” as Amazon cuts 30,000 jobs 🏛️ 8:26 What Chris shockingly heard at a recent Fed conference ⚖️ 10:15 What could force the Fed to become hawkish 🚀 12:33 How the Fed is “frontrunning innovation” 💴 14:46 Why Japan’s first fully yen-backed stablecoin, JPYC, is significant 🌍 17:36 Why Chris is so excited about stablecoins disrupting FX markets 🔗 22:55 Why L1 tokens may be the next “strategic commodity” 🏦 26:25 How major banks are joining the stablecoin race 👛 31:33 Why retail adoption could explode in the coming years 🤖 33:37 How AI agents could soon manage our payments 💡 36:34 Why JPMorgan decided to accept bitcoin and ether as collateral ⚖️ 44:04 Was CZ’s pardon fair, and what about “pay to play” concerns 🐂 54:55 Why having Mike Selig chair the CFTC is “bullish” for crypto Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• How Kraken Plans to Dominate Tokenization and Perps in 2026 and Beyond - Ep. 932

  As crypto markets mature, Kraken is transforming from a trading venue into a multi-asset infrastructure platform.  Co-CEO Arjun Sethi joins to break down the exchange’s expansive strategy: building a vertically integrated derivatives business, pioneering tokenized equities with xStocks, and launching a purpose-built layer 2 chain, Ink, to bridge regulated finance and open DeFi. Sethi also explains how Kraken responded to the Black Friday crash, the firm’s ADL and margin policies, and what Kraken wants from U.S. policymakers in 2025. Plus: how Kraken's acquisitions of NinjaTrader and Small Exchange could reshape U.S. derivatives, and why this time, tokenization may finally deliver. Thank you to our sponsors! Mantle https://www.mantle.xyz/ Guest: Arjun Sethi, Co-CEO of Kraken Timestamps:  👍 0:00 Intro ⚡️ 0:15 Kraken’s experience on “Black Friday” and how the team handled the chaos 👥 3:52 Why Kraken uses a co-CEO model and how it works in practice 🧩 7:50 How Arjun and his team kept calm and supported the broader ecosystem during the crash 📈 9:25 What the derivatives boom means for Kraken’s long-term strategy 🛡️ 14:55 Why customer trust and fair risk management are core to Kraken’s DNA 🏛️ 20:26 How the Small Exchange and NinjaTrader deals fit into Kraken’s U.S. expansion plan 🔗 31:44 Why tokenization is finally real this time and how Kraken plans to lead it ⚖️ 53:24 What Kraken hopes to achieve in Washington and what’s next for the company Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• Arthur Hayes and Adam Schlegel on Why Private Equity Is Crypto's Next Big Wave - Ep. 933

  Crypto has spent years obsessing over tokens, airdrops, and speculation. But what about the unsexy businesses actually making money? Arthur Hayes and Adam Schlegel join Laura Shin to talk about Maelstrom's $250M private equity fund targeting crypto's most profitable, yet overlooked, companies, $50M revenue businesses with 50% margins that VCs can't touch and exchanges won't pay cash for. But while everyone frames this as just another fund, Hayes and Schlegel argue it's actually the missing piece in crypto's maturation: a cash buyer for founders who've done their time and want out without four-year earnouts.  Plus: Why Asian crypto companies with monster margins get ignored by Western capital. Thank you to our sponsors! Binance Guests: Arthur Hayes, Co-Founder of BitMEX & CIO at Maelstrom Adam Schlegel, Head of Private Equity at Maelstrom Links: Previous appearances on Unchained: The Chopping Block: Arthur Hayes & Tom Lee; Hyperliquid vs Aster, DATs & ETH Arthur Hayes and Hanson Birringer on Hyperliquid’s Success (And What Could Stop It) Bloomberg: Arthur Hayes’ Family Office Seeks $250M for Buyout Fund Coindesk: Arthur Hayes’ Maelstrom Seeks $250M Private Equity Fund to Acquire Crypto Firms: Bloomberg Akshat’s tweet announcing the fund Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 📰 1:08 Maelstrom’s $250M private equity fund to buy crypto firms 👤 1:42 Adam’s background and path from Morgan Stanley to Haveli to Maelstrom 💼 3:51 Why Maelstrom believes the next crypto boom is in private equity 📈 4:42 Arthur on how crypto investing evolved from beta → VC → PE 🌏 10:05 Geographic focus: Asia and LatAm’s overlooked crypto firms 🧭 11:49 How Maelstrom evaluates targets and performs due diligence 🛠️ 17:02 Inside Maelstrom’s $250M anchor fund and LP co-invest model 👀 26:01 The types of companies Maelstrom is targeting ⚙️ 30:16 Fund structure and Arthur’s role in Maelstrom PE 📊 36:05 “The four-year cycle is dead”: Arthur on today’s crypto market 💰 39:18 Investor requirements and $5M minimum commitment 🏦 42:09 Coinbase’s Echo acquisition and what it means for exchanges ⚔️ 47:59 The perps war, how DEXs are forcing CEXs toward zero-fee trading 💥 52:18 Binance, ADL liquidations, and leverage risk 🔮 56:27 Prediction markets: Polymarket vs Kalshi vs Limitless 💵 59:06 Stablecoins and rates, why Tether and Circle could lose to Ethena 📈 1:04:15 Who wins the next phase of crypto’s evolution 🔚 1:08:14 Closing thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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