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  • Bits + Bips: What CFTC Oversight Could Mean For Crypto As Trump's Chair Pick Crosses Key Senate Hurdle - Ep. 957
    Thank you to our sponsors! Mantle Walrus President Donald Trump's pick for chair, Mike Selig, has cleared the Senate Agriculture Committee just as lawmakers look set to hand over crypto oversight to the agency. In this episode, former CFTC Chair Chris Giancarlo joins Unchained Executive Editor Steven Ehrlich to unpack Selig's Senate hearing. Chris shares his experience working with Mike, why the CFTC should get more resources to handle crypto and crypto's unique commodity trading structure. He also touches on the challenges the agency could face regulating crypto, whether exchanges should be allowed to continue performing several functions under one umbrella, the timeline for CLARITY and the regulatory path ahead for prediction markets. Host: Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guest: J. Christopher Giancarlo, Former Commissioner of the CTFC Links: Unchained: Prospective CFTC Chair Says It’s ‘Vitally Important to Have a Cop On The Beat’ in Crypto Senate Committee Shares Bipartisan Draft on Crypto Market Structure Bill The Chopping Block: When Wall Street Meets DeFi — How Equity Perps and RWAs Redefine Leverage On-Chain DEX in the City: Are Prediction Markets Gambling, and Who Should Regulate Them? Polymarket Quietly Relaunches in U.S. in Beta Mode: Report Timestamps: 🚀 00:00 Introduction  ⚡️1:41 Chris details his experience working with Mike Selig 🤔 6:34 Does the CFTC have enough resources to handle crypto? 📽 10:34 Crypto’s unique commodity trading structure 🧱 13:37 The challenges the CFTC could face with crypto's unique trading structure 🤔 15:15 Should crypto exchanges remain vertically integrated? 💡17:25 How DeFi should be regulated 🧏 20:46 Why Chris says crypto perps do not need new laws 🔮 24:49 Mike's confirmation timeline 💥 25:46 Why prediction markets are important 👀 27:57 Why Chris compares the regulatory trajectory of prediction markets to Uber 💡 28:57 What regulations could look like for prediction markets Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  • Bits + Bips: Why Bitcoin Will Keep Going Down - Ep. 956
    Check out our sponsor Uniswap! Bitcoin keeps drifting lower — and traders are asking the same question: where’s the floor? Host Steve Ehrlich brings on Markus Thielen, CEO of 10x Research, to walk through Bitcoin’s technical setup, ETF flows, institutional positioning, and why the recent selloff looks different from past dips. Markus lays out the metrics he’s watching, the levels that matter, and why the path downward may still be the path of least resistance. He also shares his views on Ethereum, altcoins, digital asset treasuries, and why some investors are stepping away from risk entirely. Host: Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guest: Markus Thielen, CEO of 10x Research Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Introduction 📉 1:39 Why Markus is not optimistic about the current market 🐻 3:23 How he defines a bear market — and why we may already be in one 📊 8:02 The key metric institutions are watching and Bitcoin’s next support level 🔁 13:14 How to spot when a real rebound might be forming 🪙 17:29 Markus’ views on ETH and what catalysts could matter ⚠️ 19:57 Why Markus warns that “you don’t want to be exposed to anything” 🏦 22:10 Digital asset treasuries and what ETF flows are signaling 🧱 28:54How staking inside ETFs threatens DATs 🔮 34:35 What Markus expects to happen by year-end Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  • The Chopping Block: DATs Break Below NAV — Consolidation, Buybacks & Quantum Fear - Ep. 955
    The Chopping Block unpacks crypto’s DATpocalypse — NAVs collapsing, volumes drying up, and consolidation on the horizon. Plus: Vitalik sparks a wave of quantum panic, what Q-Day really means for Bitcoin and smart-contract chains, and why “qubits per share” might become the next great crypto meme. Welcome to The Chopping Block — where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. This episode opens with the DATpocalypse: almost every DAT is now below NAV, volumes have collapsed outside Bitmine and MicroStrategy, and the market is finally confronting what happens when issuances outrun demand. We get into consolidation talk, preferred-share experiments, capital-structure pivots, and whether any DAT should actually be selling crypto to buy back shares at a discount. Then we shift into quantum mania. Vitalik’s “2028” comment lit up Q-Day fears, and we separate genuine hardware progress from pure panic. We discuss why post-quantum upgrades are simple for Bitcoin but brutal for stateful chains, and how hype alone could trigger a wave of “quantum-resistant” speculation. And yes — the running gag: DATs using quantum machines to steal Satoshi’s coins. Tough markets, weird narratives, and institutions quietly holding the line. Let’s get into it. Show highlights 🔹 DATpocalypse — Most DATs now trade below NAV; Bitmine and MicroStrategy dominate the only real volume. 🔹 Supply & Demand — Issuances outpaced buyers; M/NAV compresses toward 1 across the entire class. 🔹 Consolidation watch — Sub-scale DATs may merge to form multi-billion-dollar vehicles that can compete. 🔹 New financing era — Preferreds, debt, and MicroStrategy-style capital engineering become the next playbook. 🔹 Buyback dilemma — Trading at 0.5× NAV suggests selling crypto to buy shares—if liquidity exists. 🔹 Retail gone, institutions steady — Tokens follow the 4-year retail cycle; equity deals reflect institutional conviction. 🔹 Token vs equity split — Depressed token markets contrast with mega equity raises like Kraken’s $20B round. 🔹 AI distraction — Retail rotates into Nvidia/AI stocks, starving page-2 tokens of attention. 🔹 Quantum mania — Vitalik’s “2028” comment triggers Q-Day fears, despite quantum still being far from breaking ECC. 🔹 Post-quantum headaches — Bitcoin is easy to migrate; Ethereum/Solana transitions will be complex and messy. 🔹 Q-Day = Y2K energy — Expect years of hype and “quantum-resistant” pumps before reality catches up. 🔹 Qubits-per-share meme — DATs running quantum computers to steal Satoshi coins becomes the episode’s running gag. Hosts: ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly  ⁠Disclosures Timestamps 00:00 Intro  01:14 BTC Breaks Down 02:52 DATpocalypse Begins 05:01 DAT Playbooks & Buybacks 20:48 Equity Boom, Token Bust 28:00 Retail vs. Institutions 34:01 Quantum Panic Hits Crypto 41:45 Post-Quantum Problems 46:32 Road to Q-Day & Y2K Vibes Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  • Uneasy Money: Hyperliquid's Dilemma After 10/10: Protect Itself or Its Users? - Ep. 954
    In this episode of Uneasy Money, hosts Kain Warwick, Luca Netz and Taylor Monohan explore how the recent ICO boom compares with the 2017 era.  They share stories of some of the big names from the past, including Kain's struggles after raising 30,000 ETH at the cycle top. Plus Luca shares what it takes for founders to thrive in crypto. They also unpack the “FUD” surrounding Hyperliquid following the infamous Oct. 10 crypto crash. Moreover, they discussed what Multicoin's investment in Ethena revealed about Kyle Samani, and potential black swan risks facing the project. Hosts: Luca Netz, CEO of Pudgy Penguins Kain Warwick, Founder of Infinex and Synthetix Taylor Monahan, Security at MetaMask Links: Unchained: Monad ICO on Coinbase Fizzles 12 Hours After Launch Uneasy Money: ICOs Are Back and Why Airdrops Are Instantly Dumped The Chopping Block: Tokenomics Reset — ICOs Rise, UNI Turns On Fees, MEV Goes to Court Hyperliquid Founder Denies Claims That DEX Prioritizes Revenue Over Traders The Chopping Block: Inside the $19B+ Perp Crash, ADL Explained, Binance’s USDe/Staked-Token Depeg, and the Hyperliquid Whale Debate Ethena Labs Expands to Support Two New Products Timestamps: 🚀00:00 Introduction  🎞 1:12 How the new ICO meta compares to the old days ❕️13:48 Why Luca would still airdrop PENGU despite the ICO craze 📽 16:19 New v. Old ICO meta cont'd 😬 26:00 Kain talks about raising 30,000 ETH at the 2017 top 💡27:49 Luca explains what it takes for founders to thrive in crypto 🤕 31:01 Hyperliquid “FUD” and why some of its celebrity whale traders are leaving ➰️45:18 The tension that Hyperliquid faces: protecting the protocol over users 🤔 47:32 Will a new perp DEX champion emerge? 📈 54:03 Multicoin goes long Ethena 🥊54:27 Kain's beef with Multicoin  🎞 59:52 Luca's history with Multicoin  ⚠️ 1:01:43 The real black swan scenario for Ethena Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  • ETH's HTTP Moment? How Ethereum Interop Layer Hopes to Fix L2 Fragmentation - Ep. 953
    Thank you to our sponsors! Uniswap Mantle The rise of Ethereum layer 2s has created a need for interoperability. While several solutions have emerged over the years, Ethereum Interop Layer promises to be trustless. At Ethereum Devconnect, the EF’s  developers Yoav Weiss and Marissa Posner join Unchained to explain why trustlessness is necessary for interoperability. They also delve into how EIL differs from NEAR Intents and how it could unlock new use cases and spark an explosion of activity on Ethereum. Guests: Marissa Posner, Product on the Account and Chain Abstraction Team at the Ethereum Foundation Yoav Weiss, Research on the Account and Chain Abstraction Team at the Ethereum Foundation Links: Unchained: Zcash Developer Reveals Q4 Roadmap What’s the Best Way for Ethereum to Grow? Justin Drake and Martin Köppelmann Debate Why the Privacy Coins Mania Is Much More Than Price Action Timestamps: 🚀00:00 Introduction 🤔4:11 What is Ethereum Interop Layer? 🤷‍♂️5:20 What Ethereum Interop Layer is trying to solve 📍7:08 Marissa explains why trustlessness is necessary for interoperability ⛓️8:21 Yoav describes the current state of L2 fragmentation 🔮9:17 How Yoav and Marissa came to work on EIL ⚙️11:53 How EIL works 🔬18:10 How EIL compares to NEAR Intents 🤔22:19 Does EIL bring new security risks? 🚀23:12 Can EIL unlock Ethereum’s HTTP moment? 📌28:26 What EIL wouldn’t make sense for 💭30:09 How EIL can supercharge wallets 📆34:18 EIL’s mainnet timeline 💥35:51 Whether EIL could lead to an explosion of Ethereum activity ⛓️39:06 Why chain security matters 🤔41:17 Does EIL increase attack vectors? 🔮43:20 The future of bridges 📜45:31 The trustless manifesto Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Crypto assets and blockchain technology are about to transform every trust-based interaction of our lives, from financial services to identity to the Internet of Things. In this podcast, host Laura Shin, an independent journalist covering all things crypto, talks with industry pioneers about how crypto assets and blockchains will change the way we earn, spend and invest our money. Tune in to find out how Web 3.0, the decentralized web, will revolutionize our world. Disclosure: I'm a nocoiner.
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