Decoding the Gurus

Part Two of our Jensen Huang decoding gets to AI safety, where Jensen gives the labs some simple advice: if your products aren’t safe, don’t release them! There we go. Glad we got that sorted.
Luckily Jensen knows a lot of CEOs and he’s confident they want to do the right thing. Good CEOs and good engineers, doing good work. Reassuring stuff, although Volkswagen presumably had a few of those too when it was cheating on emissions tests. We’re slightly less inclined to treat Jensen’s confidence in his rich friends as a safety mechanism, particularly when he does rather well out of selling them chips.
Though to be fair, he seems a little more open to independent auditors and new regulations than some accounts of the interview suggest. Matt also offers some qualified reasons for optimism about AI safety research. So there are some things to discuss beyond whether we should trust all the nice billionaires.
We also cover his "interesting" environmental argument. To save the planet, Jensen explains, we’ll first have to do it quite a lot of damage. It’s like surgery: an ENORMOUS amount of pain now, with the promise that things might possibly get better afterwards. In this case, perhaps some more solar plants. For operations usually they give you anaesthetics, but a lovely new park next to the data centre will maybe do the same job.
In short, there’s plenty of out-of-touch billionaire optimism here, and a convenient overlap between what’s good for the future/planet and what’s good for Nvidia sales. But even with all that, Jensen remains a bit short on the guru flair we usually encounter. C'est la vie!
Source material
The Ezra Klein Show: Jensen Huang Thinks A.I. Alarmism Has Gone Too Far
I Think You Should Leave: Hot Dog Car Sketch (Netflix Is A Joke)
Piece of Shit Book Club: How to Become a Christian in Seven Days by Russell Brand
Russell Brand: How to Become a Christian in Seven Days
You Can See Everything: Nathan Fielder and Lance Oppenheim's Elizabeth Holmes documentary

Relevant articles
Pacing the Frontier: The AI employees' open letter quoted in the interview
Nick Cammarata / Goodfire: Neural Networks Are Already Clean
US Environmental Protection Agency: Learn About Volkswagen Violations (Dieselgate)

Jensen Huang is so hot right now; not only did he make some statements that were widely derided, but he also featured in a glitzy "collab" episode with our favourite lone wolf, Lex Fridman. Sensing guru vibes, we turned to take a deep dive into his recent interview with Ezra Klein. Huang is the co-founder and CEO of Nvidia; he also really likes Lex Fridman and the All-In Besties. Trump even called him while he was on the All-In stage! So it's fair to say we went into this one expecting yet another bloviating tech CEO and were ready to join the dunking. We do not do guilt by association, of course, but bad vibes were in the air.
Huang thinks AI will transform the economy, take over tedious tasks, and leave us free to do more interesting things. Some jobs will disappear, but new industries will emerge to replace them, like wellness spas... It's okay for those whose jobs are disappearing, though Jensen has a solution: they should become systems thinkers!
Alongside such high-level insights, Matt and Chris do find some points of agreement, including his impatience with apocalyptic predictions being presented as scientific findings. The discussion also highlights a difference between our dear hosts: Huang's irritation with people talking about software like little human minds makes Chris increasingly sympathetic to him. Matt, as a committed pan-psychic, is less impressed by the reassurance that engineers understand what they are building, and thinks understanding the components is rather different from knowing what the whole system will do. Inevitably, this leads to a discussion of dogs, ants, and what "unpredictable" means, because apparently we are sensemakers now.
We will get to the fuller discussion of AI safety in Part Two. Until then, listeners can enjoy the experience of us listening to one of the less terrible tech billionaires and disagreeing with each other over minor points!
Source material
The Ezra Klein Show: Jensen Huang Thinks A.I. Alarmism Has Gone Too Far
The New York Times: Episode page and transcript
Lex Fridman: Taiwan: The Most Epic Night Market Experience w/ Jensen Huang (the Taiwan visit mentioned in the introduction)
All-In Summit: Jensen Huang: The Doomer Hoax, Superintelligence is Here, and The Future of AI (ft. President Trump)
Creative Destruction Lab: Geoff Hinton: On Radiology (2016)
Kurzgesagt: AI Just Crossed the Terrifying Line - Now What? (previously titled The Moment They Lost Control of AI)

Relevant articles
Vaswani et al. (2017): Attention Is All You Need
Anthropic: When AI builds itself
METR: Brief independent investigation of agents’ behavior, reasoning and collaboration in the OpenAI / Hugging Face hacking incident
Anthropic: 2026 Usage Policy update (including its policy on abusive treatment of models)

Matt updates his p(doom), Tucker Carlson does his best impression of Wormtongue, and the political horseshoe unites over Flydubai JAQs. Sometimes our future AI overlords do not look so bad.
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00:00:00 Introduction
00:01:07 Dog Updates and Cultural Appropriation
00:07:20 Annual Health Check Approval
00:14:47 Matt’s p(doom) Update
00:17:26 Matt’s Dragon
00:21:34 Becoming Obsolete?
00:26:27 P-Zombie Thoughts on AI
00:33:03 Productivity Gains?
00:36:22 Jacob Rees-Mogg Meets Tucker Carlson
00:39:00 Tucker Carlson: Russian Apologist Extraordinaire
00:48:14 Cognitive Empathy for Russia
00:55:04 Who Cares About Treaties?
00:58:45 Studied Ignorance and Russian Sycophancy
01:05:50 The Isolationist Strain
01:11:33 Wormtongue Carlson
01:17:03 WHAT?!?
01:23:02 Hitler Apologetics
01:29:02 Bespoke Definitions of Sovereignty
01:37:17 Mr Hitler and His Promises
01:40:59 Great Fun with a Nazi Apologist Imbecile
01:42:17 The Joyful League of Big Characters: George Galloway Enters
01:46:20 Piers Morgan Is a Bad Guy
01:49:17 Flydubai False-Flag Conspiracies
01:56:35 The Young Turks Are Conspiracy Theorists
02:02:54 Jimmy Dore Claims Bondi Beach Was a False Flag
02:08:15 Cenk Explains False-Flag Psychology
02:13:53 Ana Notices Some Anomalies
02:18:25 Sneako Also Has Questions
02:20:16 Hasan Has Noticed Some Red Flags
02:35:00 Strategic Disclaimers Are Standard Practice
02:40:06 The Hannibal Directive
02:48:53 Dysphoric Bonding
Source material
Kurzgesagt: AI Just Crossed the Terrifying Line - Now What? (original title: The Moment They Lost Control of AI)
OtherReality: Claude Pop - I’m Upping My P(Doom)
Osmarks: P(doom), the original song
Lex Fridman with Eliezer Yudkowsky: Dangers of AI and the End of Human Civilization (AI-box discussion)
Sam Harris with Nick Bostrom: AI Utopia (related discussion of work, meaning and purpose)
Tucker Carlson and Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg: “Prepare for War”
Tucker Carlson with Darryl Cooper: The True History of the Jonestown Cult, WWII, and How Winston Churchill Ruined Europe
Piers Morgan vs Nick Fuentes: What a CROCK of S***!
Piers Morgan with Gary Stevenson: I’m QUITTING!
George Galloway: MOATS 592, Flight of Fancy
Nick Fuentes: America First 1756 (Rumble Premium; Flydubai discussion from 3:20:32)
The Young Turks: Bibi’s FlyDubai Narrative, 1 October 2026 (episode transcript)
Jimmy Dore and Kurt Metzger: Here’s How You Know Australian Mass Shooting Was A FALSE FLAG!
Candace Owens x Ana Kasparian
Ana Kasparian / TYT: What Really Happened During The FlyDubai Flight Attack?
The Young Turks: Fight and Flight, 30 September 2026
Sneako: FlyDubai is the dumbest psyop ever. (headphone-cord demonstration from 15:09)
Hasan Piker’s Flydubai stream, 1 October 2026 (discussion from 4:06:26)
Benjamin Netanyahu on Hannity discussing the Flydubai incident
Hasan Piker: What People Miss About The DC Israeli Embassy Shooting
Zeteo / Mehdi Hasan: How Many Israelis Were Killed BY ISRAEL on October 7th? FULL VIDEO
Zeteo: What Is the Hannibal Directive and How Many Israelis Did It Kill on October 7?
Iain M. Banks: The Culture novels

Relevant articles
UN Commission of Inquiry report A/HRC/56/26, 14 June 2024 (Hannibal Directive: paragraphs 35–37 and 95)
ISD: Mis- and disinformation and conspiracy theories about the October 7 Hamas attack on Israel
ISD: Cross-ideological antisemitism and the October 7th attacks
ISD: Conflict Amplified: Disinformation and Hate in the Israel-Hamas War
ADL: Within 48 Hours of FlyDubai Incident, at Least 25,000 X Posts Pushed Conspiracy Theories
Hugging Face: July 2026 security incident disclosure (the incident discussed in SM56 and revisited here)
METR and Redwood Research: Independent investigation of the OpenAI/Hugging Face incident
The Budapest Memorandum on security assurances, 5 December 1994
NATO: Collective defence and Article 5
ABC News Verify: Fake news spreading online following Tel Aviv-bound flight incident
Associated Press: A plumber and a dentist are praised as heroes in FlyDubai near-disaster
ADL: Extremists and Conspiracy Theorists Deny the Capital Jewish Museum Shooting With “False Flag” Narrative
Haaretz: IDF Ordered Hannibal Directive on October 7 to Prevent Hamas Taking Soldiers Captive (7 July 2024)
World Economic Forum: Now is the time for a “great reset” of capitalism

Chris and Matt grapple with Face Huggers, ponder the mysteries of algebra, and have a heated exchange over the term "bespoke".
*Sorry about some of Chris' audio: the microphone settings will be fixed next episode!
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Supplementary Material 56
00:00 Introduction
01:58 The Hugging Face incident
08:46 AI risks and AI discourse
22:29 OpenAI’s presentation and the incentives around AI safety
29:51 How worried should we be?
40:13 Disagreeing about AI
46:15 Peter Boghossian’s AI-generated utopia and dystopia
52:00 Matt’s favourite DJ meme
53:32 Tucker Carlson meets algebra
1:00:18 Andrew Callaghan and Channel 5
1:02:07 Hunter Biden’s $LAPTOP meme coin
1:06:08 A brief intervention on “paleocon”
1:13:41 Andrew Callaghan explains the email-list mistake
1:23:46 Andrew Callaghan on tech oligarchs
1:36:28 Taylor Lorenz’s political independence
1:42:35 The Great Bespoke Debate of 2026
1:56:35 Hasan, Mearsheimer, and Russia
2:07:16 Peace is restored
Links
Hugging Face: July 2026 security incident disclosure
Hugging Face: Technical timeline of the agent intrusion
OpenAI: The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead
OpenAI: Hugging Face incident technical report (PDF)
OpenAI: Black Hat USA 2026 talk on the Hugging Face incident
METR and Redwood Research: Independent investigation of the OpenAI/Hugging Face incident
Mind Enterprises: Balcony MIXTAPE, the original DJ video
Matt’s preferred version of the balcony meme, with Sam Altman and Dario Amodei
Tucker Carlson with Jess Elofson: The Forgotten Lessons of Human History and the Dark Forces Robbing You of Your God-Given Creativity
Channel 5: Hunter Biden Interview
Channel 5: Nick Fuentes Interview, featuring Hunter Biden
Hunter Biden’s video response to the $LAPTOP launch
Channel 5: Andrew Callaghan addresses the Hunter Biden crypto coin
Channel 5: Andrew Callaghan’s September 10 explanation on X
Channel 5: Andrew Callaghan’s September 15 “State of the Union” monologue
Jubilee: 1 Journalist vs 20 Conspiracy Theorists, with Andrew Callaghan
MTS: The Panic and Fear around AI, with Taylor Lorenz
John Mearsheimer: The Russia I Saw
Hasan Piker reacts to Mearsheimer’s Russia visit (from 5:24:30)
Blake Lemoine discusses his claim that Google’s LaMDA was sentient and his identity as a mystic Christian priest
The Free Press: Two Drinks with Taylor Lorenz

Part Two of our Candace Owens decoding offers a generous case study in conspiratorial thinking. The necklace in the footage of Charlie Kirk’s murder may have moved before his jacket, a photograph of Tyler Robinson in front of a Man of Steel poster also raises questions about why Erika Kirk used the phrase about Charlie’s neck, not to mention that one of the early suspects also lived in New York during 9/11... all of it just makes you think... who is actually running things?
One possibility could be Erika Kirk. Not that she is the mastermind (that, as always, is occult Jewish satanists), but rather that she might be a sociopath that dark energy is being temporarily channelled into. Candace asks why Erika returned to work so quickly, muses over how Candace's connection to Charlie was deeper and more spiritually potent, and ponders if she was the only person who really truly cared about Charlie. But don’t worry, Shawn Ryan is there with his trademark scepticism to offer pushback, like “wow” and “holy shit, that’s incredible”. Trump, meanwhile, has apparently sold his soul to Israel, though JD Vance may still be redeemable. Then Freud turns up, accused of inventing modern gaslighting and covering for satanic murders.
Candace, as you might imagine, has her own place in the story. Charlie apparently knew she would inherit the fight after his death (which he had psychically foreseen), and Candace has indeed felt a spiritual awakening since. It’s a good thing then that she is so sensitive to others engaged in religious/spiritual grifting.
As per Part One, this is ultimately a tour de force in conspiracy theorising and guru dynamics. And yet, remarkably, Candace still manages to come across as interpersonally likeable and even endearing. Which perhaps explains part of her popularity. Even still, with this episode we are (hopefully) done with four-hour Candace interviews.
Also be forewarned that this episode contains an extended shoutout section; the Candace decoding ends at 1:41:02. We work through a backlog of listener shoutouts that we have neglected for long enough to turn them into a second podcast. If you would rather skip that entirely, jump to 2:25:56 for the brief sign-off. Complaints about the length/shoutouts will be referred to this paragraph. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Source material
Shawn Ryan Show #318: Candace Owens, “I Don’t Believe Tyler Robinson Was Even There”
Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson, The Assault on Truth: Freud’s Suppression of the Seduction Theory (the book Candace invokes during the Freud segment)
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