Gospelbound

Only a couple years out of college, I told my coworkers that I looked forward to being old. They weren’t just dismissive of that comment. They were indignant. On one level, I know why. I understood little to nothing at age 23 about the hardships of aging and caring for the dying. I hadn’t yet suffered many of life’s inevitable pains.

At the same time, I looked forward to greater wisdom, maybe even defeat of some sins and temptations. I was excited about all I could learn if the Lord granted me years. Maybe I even had a couple Bible verses in my head, like Proverbs 16:31: “Gray hair is a crown of

glory; it is gained in a righteous life.” Or Job 12:12: “Wisdom is with the aged, and understanding in length of days.”

Both those verses are cited by Jen Wilkin in her excellent new book, Dust to Dust: Aging Wisely in an Anti-Aging World, published by Crossway. If you take my youthful naiveté at its best, I was recognizing what Jen distinguishes in her book: the world says to age is to diminish. But the Bible says to age is to deepen. Now in middle age, however, I experience the good and bad: the invisibility because no one would possibly notice my appearance. But also the freedom: because I have that middle-age dad’s superpower of not caring what other people think of my appearance. 

I didn’t realize how much I needed Jen’s book, and I’m eager to ask a whole bunch of questions now on Gospelbound.

In This Episode:

00:00:00 – Jen Wilkin reflects on her mother’s death and the symmetry of life

00:00:49 – Why Collin has long looked forward to old age

00:01:20 – Introducing Dust to Dust and the contrast between cultural decline and biblical deepening

00:02:31 – Why modern culture values youth over old age

00:03:55 – Jen’s first moments of realizing she was aging

00:05:46 – How aging feels different for men and women

00:07:49 – Why many people fear becoming a burden

00:10:08 – Assisted suicide, dependency, and surprising cultural opposition

00:14:47 – The “chiasm of life” and how beginning and end mirror each other

00:21:02 – Why midlife offers a unique vantage point for perspective and wisdom

00:24:50 – Caring simultaneously for children and aging parents

00:29:12 – Why caregiving is not a season but a default setting of life

00:32:10 – How modern longevity has changed the experience of family and aging

00:36:25 – “You will not surely die”: the anti-gospel of age denial

00:37:52 – How suffering narrows our priorities

00:40:34 – Honoring parents and the fuller meaning of the fifth commandment

00:45:44 – Retirement, crystallized knowledge, and later-life vocation

00:50:46 – A theology of aging before a debate about anti-aging practices

00:55:33 – Jen’s regrets, sanctification, and learning to honor parents well

01:00:26 – Final reflections on aging, family, and hope

01:01:07 – Outro

Resources Mentioned:

Dust to Dust by Jen Wilkin

From Strength to Strength by Arthur Brooks

The Screwtape Letters by C. S. Lewis

 

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You might think AI is the most exciting technological development of all time, and you’ve been vibe coding before the rest of us had ever heard the term. 

Or maybe you think AI is the most dangerous technological development of all time, and you’re desperately hoping someone will step up to stop autonomous weapons and programs powerful enough to thwart any existing security system. 

Or maybe you’re somewhere in the middle. Maybe you still don’t know what all the fuss is about. 

No matter where you are, I know I can recommend a new single-season TGC podcast called Silicon Spiritualities, hosted by Christopher Watkin, a fellow at The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics. My friend Chris also contributed two chapters to the forthcoming book I edited with Skyler Flowers, titled The AI Apocalypse: A Survival Guide for Humanity. I love hearing Chris teach on just about anything. But his reflections on AI have been especially insightful for me, and I’m eager to welcome him back to Gospelbound to discuss these two new projects.

In This Episode:

00:00 – The hidden human cost of AI training

00:36 – Introducing Christopher Watkin, Silicon Spiritualities, and The AI Apocalypse

01:48 – The gospel story Silicon Valley tells about AI

06:01 – Investor hype, idolatry, and AI religions

08:09 – Data workers, exploitation, water use, and the wider AI industry

12:03 – Avoiding both AI doom and AI hype

14:26 – Is AI more like the internet, electricity, or agriculture?

17:20 – Why Christian anthropology is not threatened by AI intelligence

21:01 – Why a frictionless life can become passive rather than free

25:30 – Using AI with integrity in writing and creative work

27:16 – Watkin’s practical uses of AI at home and in his work

29:34 – AI companionship and the desire to be known and loved

34:10 – Mutuality, reciprocity, and what AI cannot share with us

39:19 – Consciousness, imitation, and participation

41:51 – Transhumanism and the temptation to outgrow humanity

45:22 – Why studying AI has made Watkin more excited about God

48:29 – AI, existential risk, and the problem of the human heart

54:31 – Alignment, sycophancy, Her, and the imitation game

59:37 – Closing remarks

Resources Mentioned:

Silicon Spiritualities | TGC podcast hosted by Christopher Watkin 

Deep Work by Cal Newport

“Computing Machinery and Intelligence” / “The Imitation Game” by Alan Turing 

 

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Andrew Wilson is one of the happiest guys I know. So it only makes sense that he would write a book called Happiness: What It Is, Where to Find It, and How to Make It Last Forever, published by Crossway. He’s the expert. I’m delighted when I see Andrew at a TGC conference, or a retreat for The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics. I look forward to every chance to spend time with him. He writes in this book, “Nothing is more honoring to a friend, a child, or a spouse than saying they make you happy. Nothing is more demeaning to them than telling them they don’t.” I can say, with no reservation, Andrew makes me happy when we’re together.

Ok. But where does that leave the rest of us? If we’re not naturally happy? If we’re not feeling happy right now? If we’re not hanging out with Andrew? The Declaration of Independence, 250 years ago, put happiness at the center of life’s aim: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

Andrew covered that statement in his excellent earlier book, Remaking the World: How 1776 Created the Post-Christian West. Given the anniversary, I plan in this interview to sneak in a question or two about that fateful year. And we’ll discuss much more, including the difference between joy and happiness, whether God promises happiness, and why millennials grew up to be sad.

In This Episode:

00:00 – What makes us genuinely happier

00:40 – Why Andrew Wilson wrote a book about happiness

04:29 – Happiness, sorrow, and biblical examples of deep joy

07:26 – Is joy different from happiness?

11:53 – Does God promise happiness to Christians?

13:35 – Why millennials became less happy as adults

19:41 – Freedom, responsibility, and the limits of liberation

23:21 – The “problem of superfluous happiness”

26:01 – How pursuing happiness helps us fight sin

29:23 – Why virtue, gratitude, and humility make us happier

32:53 – Compassion versus empathy

34:15 – Turning delights into disciplines

37:06 – Remaking the World and America’s 250th anniversary

39:48 – What makes the United States unique?

47:08 – Discovery, defense, temperament, and optimism

48:55 – Closing and book recommendations

Resources Mentioned:

Happiness by Andrew Wilson

Remaking the World by Andrew Wilson

Generations by Jean M. Twenge

The Happiness Hypothesis by Jonathan Haidt

The Expulsive Power of a New Affection by Thomas Chalmers

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Different preachers get excited about different aspects of the sermon. Some collect and deploy excellent illustrations. Others just nail the application week after week. Others can really reach your heart. 

What really fires me up are the connections between the Old and New Testaments, the way God’s plan of redemption unfolds in familiar and new ways from Genesis to Revelation. So you know I’d be excited about an excellent new resource, the CSB Connecting Scripture New Testament, edited by G. K. Beale and Benjamin Gladd. This study Bible includes a robust cross reference system that will help you see Old Testament quotations, allusions, and parallels within the New Testament so you can see all 66 books as a unified story from God. You’ll also find book introductions, study note commentary, articles, charts, and infographics.

In This Episode:

00:00:00 – Why continuity between Old and New Testament wording matters

00:00:41 – Introducing the CSB Connecting Scripture New Testament

00:01:53 – Ben Gladd and the mission of the Carson Center

00:04:06 – Why another study Bible?

00:07:06 – Green and blue fonts: changing the reading experience

00:08:24 – Quotations, allusions, and the “connective tissue” of Scripture

00:11:06 – Why Old Testament allusions matter for Bible study

00:12:46 – John 6, grumbling, and Israel in the wilderness

00:13:46 – Mark 1, John the Baptist, and the burning bush

00:15:41 – “Fishers of men” and Jeremiah 16

00:18:55 – Reading Revelation through Old Testament “emojis”

00:22:07 – John 1:1, Genesis 1:1, and Christology

00:27:47 – How the apostles read the Old Testament

00:31:19 – Guardrails for identifying legitimate allusions

00:35:36 – Do English translations obscure biblical connections?

00:42:27 – How pastors can use the study Bible in sermon preparation

00:44:19 – Why pastors should use the Old Testament for illustrations

00:48:31 – The Carson Center’s Concise Bible Commentary

00:53:44 – Learning from Don Carson and G. K. Beale

01:00:11 – Dictionary of the New Testament Use of the Old Testament

01:00:44 – Biblical Theology Briefing podcast

01:02:34 – A future Connecting Scripture Old Testament

01:05:19 – Closing

Resources Mentioned:

CSB Connecting Scripture New Testament edited by G. K. Beale and Benjamin L. Gladd

Keep Watch for Biblical Allusions by Ben Gladd

ESV Study Bible

CSB Study Bible

NIV Study Bible

Concise Bible Commentary from the Carson Center and Crossway

Dictionary of the New Testament Use of the Old Testament edited by G. K. Beale, D. A. Carson, Benjamin L. Gladd, and Andrew David Naselli

New Studies in Biblical Theology series

Pillar New Testament Commentary series

Biblical Theology Briefing Podcast with Ben Gladd and Matthew Harmon

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Alister McGrath remembers life as an atheist back in the late 1960s. He believed only what could be proven to be true. And he judged religious believers for trusting in an irrational fantasy.

Looking back, though, he can see an emotional basis for what he thought were purely rational conclusions. He didn’t want God to exist, because God would threaten his freedom. As an atheist he could do whatever he wanted. He could be the center of the universe. 

Now as a Christian and one of the most well-known apologists in the world, McGrath sees how much desire determines what we believe about the universe. He says, “The human desire for unaccountability leads to the metaphysical conclusion that there should not be a God.”

Last summer McGrath and I caught up when he was the keynote speaker at a Beeson Divinity School conference on Persuasive Preaching. I was invited to engage and respond to his presentation. Alister is a theologian and Christian apologist with a particular interest in the relation of science and faith. In fact he recently retired as a professor of science and religion at Oxford University. 

I know him as a godly encourager and kind interlocutor. I’ve learned a lot from him on various subjects, especially C. S. Lewis. In fact, I was listening to him at Lanier Library in Houston when he inspired me to begin work on a book about Lewis and Winston Churchill. So I’m excited to talk with him again about atheism and apologetics and a heavy dose of Lewis.

In This Episode:

00:00 – Why belief cannot always be proven

00:37 – Collin introduces Alister McGrath, atheism, desire, and C. S. Lewis

02:19 – McGrath’s move from atheism to Christianity in 1971

03:58 – Conversion as a process rather than an instant transformation

05:07 – C. S. Lewis’s “Is Theology Poetry?” and Christianity as a big picture of reality

06:30 – Christianity as aligning with the deep truths of the universe

08:01 – The New Atheists and the power of rhetorical certainty

11:06 – Why the New Atheist movement faded

13:26 – How apologetics has changed over the decades

16:29 – Tim Keller’s apologetic influence

20:25 – Integrating apologetics into preaching

23:22 – Faith versus fact—or faith versus faith?

24:28 – Enlightenment assumptions and the limits of proof

26:33 – Morality, Christianity, and secularized Christian values

28:31 – Truth, meaning, and transformative belief

30:07 – “Bleakness is not an indicator of truth”

31:53 – C. S. Lewis, Winston Churchill, and wartime apologetics

35:03 – Lewis, The Problem of Pain, and the BBC broadcasts

36:52 – Lewis’s faith, academic career, and public apologetics

39:53 – The Weight of Glory and spiritual flourishing in wartime

42:39 – Lewis on marriage, forgiveness, and the Holocaust context

45:29 – The Guardian, archives, and The Screwtape Letters

48:44 – McGrath’s storytelling apologetics and closing reflections

49:38 – Gospelbound outro

Resources Mentioned:

Mere Christianity by C. S. Lewis

The Problem of Pain by C. S. Lewis

The Screwtape Letters by C. S. Lewis

The Great Divorce by C. S. Lewis

The Weight of Glory by C. S. Lewis

The Air We Breathe by Glen Scrivener

Dominion by Tom Holland

The Dawkins Delusion? by Alister McGrath

Making Sense of Us by TGC and The Keller Center

The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics

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