Thriving Leaders Podcast

• Relational Intelligence: How to Hear the Hidden Music of Your Team with Mark Butler

  What happens when you combine clinical depth, corporate wisdom, and a passion for thriving teams? In this powerful conversation, we explore the idea of relational intelligence and why it’s emerging as the next evolution beyond emotional intelligence. From psychological safety and the hidden signs of burnout to the real human impact of AI on our teams, Mark shares a refreshing take on what leadership truly demands today. This is one of those conversations that will stick with you. In this episode, we cover: (00:00) – Introduction (04:48) – Why relational intelligence is more than emotional intelligence with a makeover (13:04) – How to tune into the emotional soundtrack of your team (21:15) – Why success for a team is ultimately a feeling, not a number (22:37) – Simple ways to create a culture of trust, mattering, and safety (33:06) – The leadership mindset shift from rescuing to holding space (37:15) – How shadow AI use is eroding team conversations and coaching moments (48:07) – The link between burnout and suppressed emotions (and how to spot it early) (54:41) – Final Thoughts Thriving teams aren’t just smarter—they’re more connected. What really stayed with me from this episode is Mark’s beautiful metaphor: "Don’t just look at the dancers, pay attention to the dance." As leaders, we often get caught up in individual behaviors, but it's the collective rhythm of our teams—the unspoken soundtrack—that tells the real story. Our role isn’t to rush in and rescue, but to hold space with curiosity and care, especially in moments of change, fear, or disconnect. That’s what makes a team thrive. 

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• How to Turn Data into Stories and Stories into Action with Dr Selena Fisk

  In this episode, we unpack how to make numbers meaningful, how to avoid the common traps and biases leaders fall into, and why shifting from data-driven to data-informed leadership changes everything.  Whether you’re a leader, a team member, or someone who’s ever felt overwhelmed by dashboards and KPIs, this conversation will help you see data through a whole new lens.  In this episode, we cover: (00:00) – Introduction (01:30) – Smarter decisions through better data use (04:15) – Data-driven vs data-informed leadership (08:55) – Building data literacy in your team (17:45) – Common data traps and biases (25:25) – Creating a healthy, human-centered data culture (31:30) – Making strategy actionable with metrics (40:15) – Visualising and analysing with AI tools like ChatGPT (44:30) – Data as a starting point for meaningful conversations (46:45) – Final ThoughtsNumbers on their own don’t drive performance — people do.  The real power of data lies in the stories we tell about it, the conversations it sparks, and the actions it inspires.  If this episode shifts how you think about data, I’d love to hear what stood out. Leave a review, share your insights, or forward this to a leader who’s ready to make data more human.

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• Redefining Leadership: The Power of Quiet with Megumi Miki

  I first met Megumi Miki back in 2009, and even then, I could feel the quiet power she carried into every room. Megumi is a Japanese-Australian speaker, author, and leadership consultant whose work has deeply influenced how I think about leadership. She’s the author of the award-winning book Quietly Powerful: How Your Quiet Nature Is Your Hidden Leadership Strength, and she’s on a mission to challenge outdated assumptions about what leadership should look and sound like. In this episode, Megumi and I dive into the idea that you don’t need to be loud to lead powerfully. We explore how quiet leaders often bring deep listening, humility, and intentionality that transform team cultures. This conversation felt like a breath of fresh air—and a much-needed reframe for anyone who’s ever felt pressure to be someone they’re not in order to lead. Whether you’re a leader, a team member, or someone simply curious about different leadership styles, this episode offers powerful insights on inclusion, psychological safety, and the true nature of influence. In this episode, we cover: (00:00) – Introduction (04:35) – Why Quietly Powerful is not an oxymoron—but essential (10:20) – How Megumi’s personal and professional experiences sparked the Quietly Powerful movement (28:37) – The real reasons people are quiet (30:47) – The double-glazed glass ceiling: quietness, gender, and cultural bias in leadership (34:51)– What inclusive decision-making really looks like (46:30) – How leaders can create space for all voices—especially the ones not being heard (43:45) – Final Thoughts Quiet doesn’t mean introverted or less. In fact, it might mean more. This conversation reminded me that some of the most impactful leaders I’ve worked with led not from the front—but from beside, behind, and within. The ones who create space, not just take it. If this episode resonated with you, I’d love to hear what stood out. Share your thoughts, leave a review, and forward this episode to someone whose quiet strength deserves to be seen and celebrated. 

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• Quiet Cracking and Leading Change with Dr Michelle McQuaid

  Michelle McQuaid is one of the most trusted voices in workplace wellbeing today. An award-winning researcher, LinkedIn Top Voice for Mental Health, and honorary fellow at Melbourne University’s Centre for Wellbeing Science, Michelle has authored nine bestselling books and hosted over 250 podcast interviews. In this episode, Michelle brings her signature blend of science, zest, and practicality to a conversation that every leader needs right now. From climbing Kilimanjaro to leading workplace research, Michelle shares insights that are impacting us all. We explore how leaders and teams can navigate the complex emotional landscape of today’s workplaces with more compassion, curiosity, and courage. In this episode, we cover: (00:00) – Introduction (03:06) – What “quiet cracking” really means—and why it’s different from burnout (05:19) – The hidden impact of gender norms on wellbeing (11:58) – Five signs someone on your team may be quietly cracking (and what to do about it) (18:07) – The five HEART practices for protecting against quiet cracking (37:33) – How to create secure attachment—within yourself and your team (40:50) – The neuroscience of “safe enough” and why it’s the real foundation for change (52:59) – Final Thoughts Michelle’s clarity around the quiet ways leaders and team members are fraying—while still looking "fine" on the outside. The term quiet cracking gave language to a feeling many of us haven’t been able to name. But even more powerfully, Michelle doesn’t just diagnose the challenge—she equips us with practical, science-backed tools to lead through it. If we want thriving teams, we must get more comfortable with discomfort, more honest in our conversations, and more courageous in our compassion. As Michelle says, “None of us have it all figured out—and what a relief that is.” If this conversation sparked ideas, comforted your inner overachiever, or gave you practical tools to support your team, we’d love for you to share this episode with a leader or teammate who might be quietly cracking. 

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• Quiet Cracking and Leading Change with Dr Michelle McQuaid

  Michelle McQuaid is one of the most trusted voices in workplace wellbeing today. An award-winning researcher, LinkedIn Top Voice for Mental Health, and honorary fellow at Melbourne University’s Centre for Wellbeing Science, Michelle has authored nine bestselling books and hosted over 250 podcast interviews. In this episode, Michelle brings her signature blend of science, zest, and practicality to a conversation that every leader needs right now. From climbing Kilimanjaro to leading workplace research, Michelle shares insights that are impacting us all. We explore how leaders and teams can navigate the complex emotional landscape of today’s workplaces with more compassion, curiosity, and courage. In this episode, we cover: What “quiet cracking” really means—and why it’s different from burnout The hidden impact of gender norms on wellbeing Five signs someone on your team may be quietly cracking (and what to do about it) The five HEART practices for building psychological safety at work How to create secure attachment—within yourself and your team The neuroscience of “safe enough” and why it’s the real foundation for change Michelle’s clarity around the quiet ways leaders and team members are fraying—while still looking "fine" on the outside. The term quiet cracking gave language to a feeling many of us haven’t been able to name. But even more powerfully, Michelle doesn’t just diagnose the challenge—she equips us with practical, science-backed tools to lead through it. If we want thriving teams, we must get more comfortable with discomfort, more honest in our conversations, and more courageous in our compassion. As Michelle says, “None of us have it all figured out—and what a relief that is.” If this conversation sparked ideas, comforted your inner overachiever, or gave you practical tools to support your team, we’d love for you to share this episode with a leader or teammate who might be quietly cracking. 

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