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AND/BOTH Podcast - Real Conversations, Shared Experiences, and the Community You've Been Missing

Dr. Ashley Blackington
AND/BOTH Podcast - Real Conversations, Shared Experiences, and the Community You've Been Missing
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  • 103. How Rest Became the Riskiest Thing We Do with Jennifer Westpfahl
    In this episode, I sit down with Jennifer Westpfahl, founder of Be.Retreats, to talk about what it looks like to build a life and a business that make space for rest, intention, stillness, and connection — and how those four pillars spell something else entirely: RISK.Jennifer shares the winding story of how B-Retreats came to life, not from a business plan or a strategic vision, but from a feeling that just wouldn’t go away. What began as a simple women’s weekend at a cabin has evolved into a growing series of in-person and virtual retreats designed to help people slow down, reconnect, and live with more authenticity.We talk about:🌿 The unexpected journey of saying “yes” to something before you have it all figured out💛 How rest can feel risky in a world that glorifies busyness🪞 The identity shifts that come with motherhood, empty nests, and growing older🔥 Why community and connection matter more than perfection🕯️ And what it really means to stop — not just pause — and allow yourself to beConnect with Jennifer:Website: beretreats.coInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/jmwestpfahl/Be.Retreats Instagram: @beretreatsmnConnect with Ashley:Website: https://www.ashleyblackington.comPodcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/Dovetail® App: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dovetail-app/id6744341822Instagram: @mydovetail.appLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyblackington/
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  • 102. The Colander List: What We Let Go to Make Room for Joy with Megan Leonard, part 2 of our 100 Episode Celebration
    In this second half of my 100th episode conversation with my friend and poet Megan Leonard, we talk about what happens when we finally start letting go of what’s not working.We call it The Colander List — a way of noticing what’s naturally slipping through, what’s too heavy to hold, and what we might finally have permission to set down.This conversation isn’t about getting more efficient or organized. It’s about capacity, trust, and the space we create when we stop trying to do it all.Meg and I talk about:🌀 What it looks like to stop chasing balance and start listening to yourself🌿 The difference between quitting and releasing💛 How friendship holds up a mirror when we’re growing✨ And how joy shows up when we finally make room for itThese 100 episodes have been about showing up for honest, human conversations, the kind that remind us we don’t have to do it all to live fully.Connect with Meg:Instagram: @megan_leonardpoetryBooks: Book of Lullabies (Milk & Cake Press) and Larkspur Queen (Broadstone Books)1:1 Writing Mentorship: DM Meg on Instagram; mention AND/BOTH for her 2025 pricing if you book your intake before Dec 31Connect with Ashley:Website: https://www.ashleyblackington.comPodcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/Dovetail® App: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dovetail-app/id6744341822Instagram: @mydovetail.appLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyblackington/
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  • 101. When Grief Shows Up Uninvited: Loss, Healing and Motherhood, a Roundtable with Katie Huey and Abby Waychoff
    This roundtable sits in the tender middle where grief and everyday life meet. Abby shares losing her sister—her person—and how that reshaped motherhood, work, and identity. Katie reflects on losing her dad unexpectedly and the decade-long evolution of grief that led to her new book, Grief Cookies and Other Comforting Things. Together we talk language (what helps, what harms), parenting through loss, making meaning without forcing timelines, and building rituals that let our people stay present in our lives.In this episode: When the world keeps spinning: That frozen-in-time feeling after loss—and how to function when the calendar won’t wait.Permission to feel both: Joy and sorrow coexisting; why “time heals” isn’t the whole story.Words that help (and don’t): Moving beyond “there are no words”; simple phrases that land with care.Parenting & grief: Telling the truth at kid-level; navigating family trees, school projects, and curious classmates.Rituals that root us: Ofrendas, Día de los Muertos, photo traditions, quilts from loved ones’ clothes, and everyday anchors (toast with cream cheese & jelly).Coping vs. numbing: Movement, nature, journaling/blogging, creative outlets—and how compartmentalizing can be a short-term tool, not a forever plan.Community & support: Why we shouldn’t do grief alone; finding your “me too” people.Identity shifts: Career pivots, creative work, and the exfoliation of “shoulds” after loss.Practical Practices You Can TrySay something simple: “This sucks. I’m here with you.” / “I don’t know what to say, but I’m not going anywhere.”Micro-comforts: Warm drink, a short walk, fresh air on your face, a favorite song—tiny signals of safety to your nervous system.Ritualize remembrance: A photo on the mantle, a yearly ofrenda, a recipe they loved, a shared song—light, repeatable touchpoints.Kid-level honesty: Offer age-appropriate truth, answer questions directly, and let the story grow with them.Name the cycle: “This wave will pass. Another may come. We can ride them together.”Key TakeawaysGrief doesn’t vanish; it changes shape. Some years are softer, some spike. Both are normal.Language matters. Avoid timelines and silver linings; choose presence over fixes.Compartmentalizing can help you move through the day—return to the feelings when you have capacity.Traditions keep people with us. Rituals don’t need to be fancy to be meaningful.You don’t have to do this alone. Support—professional, peer, spiritual, creative—lightens the lift.Loss can catalyze aligned living—a clearer yes, a braver no, a gentler pace.About Our GuestsAbby Waychoff — Mom, OT by training, and current mental health counseling grad student. After losing her sister, Abby’s work and life pivoted toward grief, meaning-making, and aligned living.Katie Huey — Coach, writer, and facilitator focusing on language for hard things. Author of Grief Cookies and Other Comforting Things: Finding Beauty in Life After Loss (Pub day: today in the episode timeline). Creates spaces to hold both sorrow and joy.Resources MentionedGrief Cookies and Other Comforting Things — Katie HueyDía de los...
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  • 100. A Hundred Conversations Later: On Friendship, Motherhood, and Finding What Works with Megan Leonard
    For our 100th episode, Ashley sits down (in person!) with longtime friend and poet Megan (Meg) Leonard to talk about the beginnings of AND/BOTH, the early days of motherhood, and the stubborn, beautiful work of staying true to yourself when life keeps changing. From stroller walks and kindergarten drop-offs to building creative work in the cracks of a very full life, this episode is a love letter to friendship, identity, and choosing what actually works for you.In the first part of this conversation we cover:Finding your people in the lonely early seasons of motherhoodBuilding a creative life alongside caregiving and paid workThe tiny windows of time that move big projects forward“Ghost in a meat suit on a space rock” energy—picking what mattersWhy one good friend can be more than enoughConnect with Megan:Megan Leonard, poet & writing mentorInstagram: @megan_leonardpoetryBooks: Book of Lullabies (Milk & Cake Press) and Larkspur Queen (Broadstone Books)1:1 Writing Mentorship: DM Meg on Instagram; mention AND/BOTH for her 2025 pricing if you book your intake before Dec 31Connect with Ashley:Website: https://www.ashleyblackington.comPodcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/Dovetail® App: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dovetail-app/id6744341822Instagram: @mydovetail.appLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyblackington/
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  • 99. The Birth of Caring for Mama: How Kim Richards is Revolutionizing Support for Moms
    Becoming a mother changed everything for Kim Richards, not just her routines, her priorities, or her sleep schedule (though all of that, too), but her sense of identity. And like many moms, she found herself wondering: If I’m the one taking care of everyone, who’s taking care of me?In this episode, Kim shares the story behind Caring for Mama, a mission-led business she built to remind caregivers — especially mothers — that they deserve care, too.This conversation covers the real and often unspoken truths of motherhood, identity shifts, invisible labor, and what it means to put yourself back in the center of your own life.Whether you’re a mom, caregiver, or someone who’s felt the tension between giving and needing help yourself, this episode is a gentle nudge to stop minimizing your own needs.In this episode we cover: How Kim went from barely surviving postpartum to building a company around careWhy having help and still feeling alone is more common than we thinkThe invisible mental load of caregiving and the toll it takesReclaiming small moments of self — and why they matter more than we give them credit forWhat support can look like (beyond casseroles and baby clothes)Connect with KimConnect with Kim: @caringformamaLearn more about Caring for Mama: caringformama.orgConnect with Ashley:Website: https://www.ashleyblackington.comPodcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/Dovetail® App: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dovetail-app/id6744341822Instagram: @mydovetail.appLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyblackington/
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