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  • The Design Vault

    Technics SL-1200 MK2: The Turntable That Defined Hip Hop (feat. Dan the Automator)

    23/09/2025 | 1h 1min
    Episode Overview
    In this episode of The Design Vault, hosts Albert Shum and Thamer Abanami are joined by legendary producer Dan the Automator Nakamura (Gorillaz, Deltron 3030, Dr. Octagon) to explore the Technics SL-1200 MK2 — the direct drive DJ turntable that evolved from an audiophile product into a central instrument for hip hop, house, and techno DJs and producers.

    From Konosuke Matsushita’s long-term “250-year philosophy” to Grand Wizard Theodore’s scratching breakthrough, this is the story of how Japanese engineering precision met street creativity to create one of the most influential musical instruments of the late 20th century. Dan shares personal stories of witnessing a young Qbert and Mix Master Mike before fame, why the 1200 is often called the “Porsche 911 of turntables,” and how the constraints of early sampling technology shaped hip hop’s signature sound.

    Episode Length: 1:01:59

    Original Air Date: September 23, 2025

    Hosts: Albert Shum, Thamer Abanami

    Special Guest: Dan the Automator Nakamura

    Key Segments & Timestamps
    Sound Recording’s Strange Beginning (00:02:25 - 00:07:44)

    1857: First sound recorded but unplayable for 151 years

    Edison’s phonograph and “Mary Had a Little Lamb”

    Emile Berliner’s flat disc revolution and the birth of the record industry

    The LP vs. 45 RPM rivalry that settled into coexistence

    How physical media constraints shaped modern music

    Matsushita’s Long-Term Philosophy (00:07:44 - 00:13:11)

    23-year-old Konosuke Matsushita starts with 100 yen

    The “tap water philosophy”: abundance through affordability

    From handmade plugs to bicycle lamps that lasted 40 hours

    Post-WWII Japan’s “three sacred treasures”

    How long-term thinking created Panasonic and its Technics brand

    The Direct Drive Revolution (00:13:11 - 00:18:03)

    Belt drive’s fatal flaw: wow and flutter

    Shuichi Obata eliminates the rubber band middleman

    The SP-10: world’s first direct drive for broadcasting

    Why torque and instant startup changed everything

    From FM radio booths to consumer turntables

    Birth of the 1200 Legacy (00:18:03 - 00:24:31)

    1972: SL-1200 MK1 launches for home audiophiles

    DJs discover unintended benefits: rock-solid speed, durability

    Kool Herc’s “merry-go-round” technique extends breaks

    Engineers began to notice how DJs in emerging club and hip hop scenes were pushing the decks in new ways

    1979: The MK2 arrives with DJ-specific features

    The Accidental Art of Scratching (00:26:21 - 00:32:10)

    Grand Wizard Theodore’s mother interrupts practice

    From holding a record in place to creating percussion

    Grandmaster Flash perfects “quick mix theory”

    Herbie Hancock’s Rockit brings scratching to MTV

    Regional styles emerge: Philadelphia smooth vs. West Coast technical

    Dan’s Evolution of Scratch Styles (00:32:10 - 00:34:07)

    Jam Master Jay’s percussive power approach

    Philadelphia’s transform scratch innovation

    West Coast technical precision with Mix Master Mike

    DJ Premier’s loose, funky internal metronome

    How each region developed distinct aesthetics

    Design Analysis: Japanese Precision Meets Street Culture (00:36:47 - 00:42:14)

    24 pounds of die-cast aluminum confidence

    5-pound platter with machined strobe dots

    Pop-up target light for dark club cueing

    Brushed metal buttons built to survive anything

    Typography that defined an era of Japanese electronics

    The Digital Transformation (00:47:03 - 00:54:10)

    From vinyl crates to CD wallets: Pioneer’s CDJ

    Serato’s time-coded vinyl preserves feel, adds infinite music

    Digital controllers merge software with tactile control

    2010: Technics stops production after 38 years

    2016 revival, with 2019 models reborn as $1,000+ luxury nostalgia products

    Technology as Creative Catalyst (00:56:18 - 00:59:01)

    How technical limitations create aesthetic signatures

    Photography’s threat becoming opportunity

    Electronic music’s journey to legitimacy

    Why constraints breed genres

    AI and the next creative frontier

    Credits
    Hosts: Albert Shum and Thamer Abanami

    Special Guest: Dan the Automator Nakamura

    Editor: Rachel James

    Intro Music: Red Lips Media

    Brand Design: Rafael Poloni

    Connect With The Design Vault on Instagram @thedesignvaultpodcast
  • The Design Vault

    PalmPilot: When We Almost Had Smartphones

    09/09/2025 | 39min
    Episode Overview
    In this episode of The Design Vault, hosts Albert Shum and Thamer Abanami explore the remarkable story of the PalmPilot—the device that solved the PDA puzzle through radical constraint. When Jeff Hawkins carved a block of wood into the shape of a shirt-pocket computer and carried it everywhere, pretending to use it throughout his day, he wasn't just prototyping a product—he was designing the first truly successful bridge between desktop and mobile computing.

    From its 1996 launch to its $53 billion peak valuation to its eventual absorption into smartphones, the PalmPilot's journey reveals timeless lessons about simplicity versus complexity, the power of ecosystem thinking, and why being first doesn't guarantee survival. This episode uncovers how three taps, 160x160 pixels, and a simplified alphabet called Graffiti almost gave us the smartphone era five years early.

    Episode Length: 39:21
    Original Air Date: September 9, 2025
    Hosts: Albert Shum, Thamer Abanami

    Key Segments & Timestamps
    Setting the Stage: The Gadget Graveyard (00:00:20 - 00:04:35)

    The 1990s digital device explosion: Casio organizers, Sharp Wizards, and others

    Apple Newton's $700 failure and handwriting recognition jokes

    The junk drawer problem: expensive solutions looking for problems

    Enter Jeff Hawkins: The Wooden Computer (00:04:43 - 00:08:04)

    Hawkins' background: electrical engineering, neuroscience, and Grid Systems

    Palm Computing's founding in 1992 with Donna Dubinsky and Ed Colligan

    The wooden prototype: carrying a carved block of wood for months

    Pretotyping in practice: fake meetings with a fake device

    Design Philosophy: The Zen of Palm (00:08:04 - 00:14:31)

    Form factor constraints: 4.7" x 3.2" x 0.7", under 6 ounces

    160x160 monochrome display as design driver

    Graffiti: making humans adapt to the machine (97% accuracy)

    The three-tap rule and Rob Haitani's tap counter

    Instant-on philosophy: no boot time, no waiting

    The HotSync Revolution (00:14:31 - 00:21:42)

    Creating the first seamless desktop-to-mobile bridge

    Conflict resolution algorithms for two-way synchronization

    Email on the go: the killer app emerges

    Building the third-party app ecosystem

    Market Triumph: Fastest Growing Computer Product (00:24:04 - 00:28:26)

    Launch reception: 1 million units in 18 months

    The magic $299 price point

    70% market share by 2000

    Healthcare, sales teams, and executive adoption

    Corporate Turbulence and Competition (00:25:27 - 00:33:17)

    Microsoft's Windows CE entry and desktop replication strategy

    The Handspring betrayal: founders becoming competitors

    BlackBerry's wireless disruption and enterprise email dominance

    Palm's split into hardware and software divisions

    WebOS development: the moonshot that came too late

    The iPhone Moment and Legacy (00:32:27 - 00:39:21)

    2007: The disruption nobody could adapt to

    Palm's $53 billion peak valuation during the dot-com bubble

    HP's acquisition and the LG TV connection

    Timeless lessons: constraint-driven innovation and simplicity

    Why "almost right" in tech often means complete failure

    Connect With The Design Vault
    The Design Vault explores iconic products from the innovation-rich 1970s-early 2000s, extracting strategic insights for today's designers, engineers, and business leaders. Each episode combines nostalgic storytelling with actionable lessons for modern product development.

    Subscribe: Available on all major podcast platforms including Spotify, Apple, and more

    Follow us: Instagram: @thedesignvaultpodcast, LinkedIn: Thamer Abanami, Albert Shum

    We'd love to hear your thoughts, episode ideas and feedback via the links above.

    Credits
    Hosts: Albert Shum and Thamer Abanami
    Editor: Rachel James
    Intro Music: Red Lips Media
    Brand Design: Rafael Poloni
  • The Design Vault

    Citroën DS: When France Built a Spaceship Disguised as a Car

    26/08/2025 | 39min
    Episode Overview
    In this episode of The Design Vault, hosts Albert Shum and Thamer Abanami explore the extraordinary story of the Citroën DS, arguably the most audacious automobile ever created. Born from the devastation of post-WWII France, this revolutionary car emerged from an 18-year development odyssey that challenged every automotive convention. With insights from retired Apple and Motorola design leader Tim Parsey, who owned multiple DS models, this episode reveals how a dream team of engineers and designers created a vehicle so advanced it seemed to come from the future. From its magical hydropneumatic suspension to its aerodynamic sculpture-on-wheels aesthetic, the DS completely reimagined what a car could be.

    Original Air Date: August 26, 2025

    Episode Length: 38:31

    Hosts: Albert Shum, Thamer Abanami

    Guest: Tim Parsey (Former Apple, Motorola, Mattel Design Leader)

     

    Key Segments & Timestamps
    The Context: Post-War France’s Design Challenge (00:20 - 03:58)

    Post-WWII devastation creating space for radical innovation

    Rough roads, high fuel taxes, and the culture of efficiency

    Charles de Gaulle’s “grandeur” vision driving technological ambition

    How constraints became catalysts for breakthrough thinking

    The Automotive Landscape: A World Ripe for Disruption (03:58 - 06:10)

    American excess era: 42-inch tail fins and chrome measured by weight

    Germany’s people’s car philosophy with the Beetle

    Britain maintaining pre-war conservatism

    France’s strategy to leapfrog rather than catch up

    Citroën’s Culture of Radical Innovation (06:10 - 08:45)

    André Citroën’s front-wheel-drive gamble with the Traction Avant

    The critical 1934 bankruptcy and Michelin’s revolutionary takeover

    Pierre Boulanger’s radical decision: “Keep engineers, fire accountants”

    The 2CV’s parallel development funding DS ambitions

    The Dream Team (08:45 - 11:50)

    André Lefebvre: Aeronautical engineer with a backlog of innovations

    Paul Magès: Self-taught genius behind hydropneumatic suspension

    Flaminio Bertoni: Italian sculptor turned automotive stylist

    Why letting creative minds loose is “highly risky but necessary”

    The 18-Year Development Odyssey (11:50 - 16:21)

    Simple question: Why improve roads when you can improve cars?

    Secret development during WWII

    The hydropneumatic breakthrough: Gas compresses, liquid transmits

    Systems integration: One technology powering suspension, brakes, steering

    40% of build cost invested in hydraulic complexity

    The Theatrical Launch: Paris 1955 (17:16 - 20:03)

    Grand Palais transformed into theater

    The silk sheet drops, crowds gasp

    12,000 pre orders—a record until Tesla Model 3

    The strategic 500-customer beta program with dedicated engineers

    Living with Revolutionary Complexity (20:03 - 23:05)

    The infamous “mushroom brake” and its quirks

    Tim’s near-death experience 

    “Marking territory with hydraulic fluid”

    Why the experience had to be driven to be understood

    The Meditative Magic: What Made DS Special (23:05 - 27:03)

    “Like gliding around… a meditative experience”

    Magic carpet ride over speed bumps

    Why no other manufacturers copied the formula

    Engineering complexity as competitive moat

    Evolution and Variants (27:03 - 28:55)

    From “frog eyes” to swiveling directional headlights (1967)

    Power progression: DS 19, DS 21, DS 23

    Safari wagons, Pallas luxury, SM with Maserati power

    “Frogs have personality. Fairings don’t.”

    Design Philosophy: Engineering as Art (28:55 - 32:39)

    Perfect tension between engineering and sculptural beauty

    Authentic aerodynamics vs. American “rocket ship” styling

    Three-dimensional airflow management with under-car panels

    Flush door handles decades before Tesla

    Interior as Living Room (32:39 - 35:20)

    Four interior lights creating ambient atmosphere

    Bench seats and column-mounted gear shifter maximizing space

    Single-spoke steering wheel for unobstructed view

    Dashboard-mounted mirror at natural eye level

    Personal Connection: Tim’s First DS Story (35:20 - 38:27)

    £30 for two broken cars to make one working DS

    Brilliant engineering: body panels removable with single bolts

    Digging holes in frozen ground to replace hydraulic lines

    The devotion that revolutionary design inspires

    Legacy and Lessons for Modern Innovators (38:27 - 38:31)

    Showing possibilities people never imagined

    The courage to exist “outside of time”

    Why serving people sometimes means ignoring market research

    Dream teams without financial constraints

     

     Connect With The Design Vault

    The Design Vault explores iconic products from the innovation-rich 1970s-early 2000s, extracting strategic insights for today’s designers, engineers, and business leaders. Each episode combines nostalgic storytelling with actionable lessons for modern product development.

    Subscribe: Available on all major podcast platforms including Spotify, Apple, and more
    Follow us: Instagram: @thedesignvaultpodcast, LinkedIn: Thamer Abanami, Albert Shum

    We’d love to hear your thoughts, episode ideas and feedback via the links above.

     

    Credits
    Hosts: Albert Shum and Thamer Abanami
    Guest: Tim Parsey
    Editor: Rachel James
    Intro Music: Red Lips Media LLC
    Brand Design: Rafael Poloni​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​
  • The Design Vault

    Koss Porta Pro: The Anti-Fashion Headphones That Became Forever

    12/08/2025 | 37min
    Episode Overview
    In this episode of The Design Vault, hosts Albert Shum and Thamer Abanami explore the remarkable story of the Koss Porta Pro, a pair of headphones that defied every rule of consumer electronics and emerged as an unlikely icon. Launched in 1984 at $49.95, these skeletal-looking headphones still sell for the exact same price today, effectively making them much cheaper due to inflation. From John Koss's accidental entry into electronics to a bankruptcy-driven product that became permanent, the Porta Pro story shows how understanding human needs—not industry assumptions—creates timeless design. This episode uncovers why a product initially rejected by some for looking "too cheap" became a cult object spanning from veteran audiophiles to Gen Z walkman enthusiasts, and how its "evergreen product strategy" challenges everything we believe about planned obsolescence.

    Episode Length: 37:02
    Original Air Date: August 12, 2025
    Hosts: Albert Shum, Thamer Abanami

    Key Segments & Timestamps
    Why This Matters Now (00:02:54 - 00:04:06)

    The concept of "accessible excellence" in consumer electronics

    Democratizing high-quality audio like IKEA democratized design

    The lifetime warranty as a design constraint

    Predicting the "good enough" revolution in consumer tech

    Setting the 1984 Scene (00:04:06 - 00:05:55)

    Sony Walkman's five-year dominance with "awful" bundled headphones

    The portability penalty: accepted wisdom that portable meant compromised

    Uncomfortable foam speakers vs. expensive home-use models

    Music becoming private and mobile: the cultural shift

    The gap in the marketplace nobody was addressing

    John Koss: The Accidental Revolutionary (00:05:55 - 00:08:15)

    Jazz musician turned TV rental entrepreneur (1953)

    Creating the first stereo headphones (SP/3) in 1958

    Philosophy: "Music should be accessible to everyone"

    Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 1984: crisis as catalyst

    Project "Light and Lively": the two-year development journey

    The Design Brief That Changed Everything (00:09:10 - 00:10:42)

    Under $50 retail target (radical for quality audio)

    Must work with low-powered portable devices

    Titanium-coated Mylar drivers innovation

    "For those with a refined ear for music"

    Research findings: pressure, heat, weight, and "hair disruption"

    Physical Design: Anti-Fashion as Philosophy (00:10:56 - 00:14:56)

    The skeletal wire sculpture aesthetic

    Completely exposed architecture: structure as aesthetic

    Collapsible design that becomes its own case

    The Comfort Zone System: temple and ear pressure distribution

    Minimal branding in the age of logos

    Pop colors against '80s neon excess

    Technical Innovation: The Sound of Revolution (00:15:05 - 00:19:40)

    30mm dynamic drivers with 15-25,000 Hz response

    Open-back design creating spacious soundstage

    Tuned for satisfaction, not accuracy

    The secret language of audio: warm vs. bright vs. flat

    Why titanium-coated Mylar matters

    Optimized for battery-powered Walkmans

    Confident Evolution (00:19:55 - 00:22:55)

    1984: Launch at $60, quickly drops to $49.95

    1991: Michael J. Koss takes over, maintains vision

    1995: KSC clip-on variants using same drivers

    1999: Sporta Pro for active users

    2009: 25th anniversary with commemorative coin

    2016: New colorways prove aesthetics still matter

    2018: Bluetooth version (80% sound quality trade-off)

    2021: Utility model with detachable cables

    2024: Giant billboard in Milwaukee celebrating current product

    The Lifetime Warranty Gamble (00:22:55 - 00:24:48)

    No-questions-asked lifetime warranty on $50 product

    Small company competing with Sony and Panasonic

    Creating trust through radical commitment

    The evergreen product strategy: no planned obsolescence

    Replacement parts always available

    Sustainable business through consistency

    Price as Philosophy (00:24:48 - 00:27:37)

    Maintaining $49.95 for four decades

    Arizona Iced Tea pricing strategy parallel

    Destroying the premium price equals quality assumption

    66% cheaper today accounting for inflation

    Manufacturing efficiency through unchanging design

    The rise of low-priced, high-quality audio segment

    Cultural Impact: From Anti-Design to Icon (00:27:37 - 00:30:21)

    The Porta Pro cult: forums and modifications

    Cable mods, Yaxi pads, 3D printed parts

    People spending more on mods than the headphones cost

    Producers and musicians adopting them

    Design blogs rediscovering "anti-fashion headphones"

    Gen Z discovery through TikTok and Retrospekt

    The Evergreen Product Strategy (00:31:02 - 00:32:45)

    No annual updates, no Mark II planned

    75% family ownership enabling long-term vision

    Growth vs. consistency mindset

    Minor necessary revisions only

    Same product for 40 years

    Word-of-mouth over marketing spend

    Design Legacy: Honesty as Movement (00:32:54 - 00:35:22)

    Transparent aesthetic and exposed architecture

    Influence on Teenage Engineering and Nothing

    Comfort-first design approach adoption

    Temple relief concept in gaming headsets

    Ultra-lightweight construction principles

    Wearable computing implications

    More than human factors and ergonomics

    Ultimate Lessons (00:35:31 - 00:37:02)

    Consistency as the most radical act

    Permanence as revolution in obsolescence-driven market

    Excellence can be democratic

    Understanding people vs. industry assumptions

    The masterclass in design philosophy

    Sustainability through timelessness

    Connect With The Design Vault
    The Design Vault explores iconic products from the innovation-rich 1970s-early 2000s, extracting strategic insights for today's designers, engineers, and business leaders. Each episode combines nostalgic storytelling with actionable lessons for modern product development.

    Subscribe: Available on all major podcast platforms including Spotify, Apple, and more
    Follow us: Instagram: @thedesignvaultpodcast, LinkedIn: Thamer Abanami, Albert Shum

    We'd love to hear your thoughts, episode ideas and feedback via the links above.

    Credits
    Hosts: Albert Shum and Thamer Abanami
    Editor: Rachel James
    Intro Music: Red Lips Media LLC
    Brand Design: Rafael Poloni
  • The Design Vault

    TiVo: The DVR That Invented the Future (But Couldn't Own It)

    29/07/2025 | 46min
    Episode Overview
    In this episode of The Design Vault, hosts Albert Shum and Thamer Abanami explore the revolutionary TiVo digital video recorder, a product so transformative it became a verb, yet ultimately couldn't capitalize on the future it created. From the moment TiVo demonstrated pausing live TV at CES 1999, leaving journalists bewildered by this "magic trick," to its eventual relegation as a feature in cable boxes, TiVo's story exemplifies the classic innovator's dilemma. This episode reveals how two Silicon Graphics engineers created the first truly intuitive TV interface, pioneered recommendation algorithms, and invented binge-watching culture, only to watch cable companies commoditize their revolution with inferior but "barely good enough" alternatives.

    Episode Length: 46:19
    Original Air Date: July 29, 2025
    Hosts: Albert Shum, Thamer Abanami

    Key Segments & Timestamps
    The Pre-TiVo Dark Ages (00:04:27 - 00:06:41)

    The tyranny of appointment television and TV Guide magazines

    VCRs: The engineering nightmare requiring "post-doc degree" to program

    Missing shows meant waiting for syndication reruns

    The anti-design philosophy of consumer electronics

    Pattern of Japanese hardware companies struggling with software integration

    The perfect storm for disruption in an entrenched industry

    The Unlikely Revolutionaries (00:07:49 - 00:10:14)

    Mike Ramsey and Jim Barton: Engineers at Silicon Graphics

    Both laid off on the same day in 1997

    Ramsey's Nintendo 64 architecture background

    Barton's radical philosophy: "Technology should be invisible"

    Original company name: Teleworld

    Initial vision: Home network computer for email, web, and TV

    The crucial pivot to focus solely on "fixing TV"

    The Technical Breakthroughs (00:10:14 - 00:14:45)

    Time-shifting vs. time-traveling: Making the impossible possible

    Hard drives in consumer devices: Revolutionary for 1998

    Real-time MPEG-2 compression on the fly

    The genius of the phone line connection for guide data

    14-day program guide with full metadata

    Linux-based system hidden behind appliance simplicity

    Constant recording buffer: The secret to pausing live TV

    The Peanut Remote Revolution (00:16:16 - 00:21:09)

    Collaboration with IDEO for ergonomic design

    Kidney-shaped form factor for natural hand fit

    Rubberized texture and balanced weight distribution

    Giant play/pause button as centerpiece

    Revolutionary thumbs up/thumbs down buttons

    Color-coded interface with playful audio cues

    Progressive disclosure: Hiding complexity behind simplicity

    Five-minute learning curve vs. VCR manuals

    The Recommendation Engine Pioneer (00:25:12 - 00:27:05)

    First consumer product with predictive algorithms

    Thumbs up/down creating personalized profiles

    Anonymous data aggregation across users

    Filling empty drive space with predicted content

    The birth of algorithmic content curation

    Foreshadowing modern streaming recommendations

    Behavioral Revolution: The End of Appointment TV (00:28:24 - 00:30:42)

    Liberation from network scheduling tyranny

    Birth of binge-watching culture

    Season Pass: Automating series recording

    The unintended consequences of time control

    Changing social dynamics around TV viewing

    From shared cultural moments to personalized experiences

    The Commercial Skip Controversy (00:30:42 - 00:33:15)

    Fast-forward through commercials: Industry panic

    Replay TV's automatic commercial skip and lawsuit

    TiVo's careful balance: Manual skip only

    Time Warner's advertising boycott

    Patent wars with EchoStar and Dish Network

    $500 million settlement vindication

    The beginning of the licensing company pivot

    The Platform Squeeze (00:33:23 - 00:38:11)

    Cable companies as both partners and competitors

    The bundling advantage: "Free" DVR with cable box

    Distribution trumps design quality

    Good enough beats better when it's bundled

    The frenemy relationship trap

    Why paying extra for TiVo became a hard sell

    Loyal users vs. mass market adoption

    The Innovator's Dilemma Crystallized (00:36:04 - 00:39:17)

    TiVo as the purest example of Christensen's theory

    Educating the market for competitors to harvest

    Fighting legal battles that benefited everyone

    Establishing UI conventions copied industry-wide

    Premium features few would pay extra for

    The brutal reality of seeing it coming but being powerless

    Modern Parallels and Lasting Impact (00:41:59 - 00:45:56)

    Netflix, YouTube TV, Hulu: All running TiVo's playbook

    The DNA in every streaming interface today

    Design matters more than technology specs

    Business model innovation as crucial as product innovation

    Platform dynamics in content industries

    The Peloton parallel: Great product, platform challenges

    Why being revolutionary isn't always enough

    Connect With The Design Vault
    The Design Vault explores iconic products from the innovation-rich 1970s-early 2000s, extracting strategic insights for today's designers, engineers, and business leaders. Each episode combines nostalgic storytelling with actionable lessons for modern product development.

    Subscribe: Available on all major podcast platforms including Spotify, Apple, and more
    Follow us: Instagram: @thedesignvaultpodcast, LinkedIn: Thamer Abanami, Albert Shum

    We'd love to hear your thoughts, episode ideas and feedback via the links above.

    Credits
    Hosts: Albert Shum and Thamer Abanami
    Editor: Rachel James
    Intro Music: Red Lips Media LLC
    Brand Design: Rafael Poloni
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A show about the past, present, and future of design. The Design Vault is a conversation hosted by Albert Shum and Thamer Abanami, reflecting on iconic products and ideas from the past, and rethinking them from new perspectives.FOLLOW US@thedesignvaultpodcast on InstagramHosts: Albert Shum and Thamer AbanamiEditor: Rachel JamesIntro Music: Red Lips Media LLCBrand Design: Rafael Poloni
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