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Cleaning Up: Leadership in an Age of Climate Change

Michael Liebreich, Bryony Worthington
Cleaning Up: Leadership in an Age of Climate Change
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  • Cleaning Up: Leadership in an Age of Climate Change

    Mexico Wants To Build An $8,000 EV For Everyone | Ep273: Roberto Capuano

    09/09/2026 | 57min
    Can Mexico build an electric car for $8,000, and use it to create an entirely new domestic industry? This week on Cleaning Up, Bryony Worthington visits Mexico City to sit down with Roberto Capuano, director of the Olinia Project, and discuss the state-backed effort to develop a new generation of affordable electric mini-vehicles.
    Roberto explains why Olinia is designing small EVs specifically around the needs of Mexican cities, how partnerships with Chinese suppliers could accelerate technology transfer, and why price rather than subsidies could ultimately drive EV adoption. They also discuss Mexico's ambitions beyond its domestic market, with potential demand across Latin America and even East Africa.
    Topics discussed in this episode:
    Why Mexico wants its own carmaker
    Electrifying Mexico City's public transport
    The rise of electric mini-cars
    Building an $8,000 Mexican EV
    Why Olinia is partnering with China
    The state's role in carmaking
    Building a Latin American EV market
    Can Olinia deliver by 2027?
    Leadership Circle:
    Cleaning Up is proud to be supported by its Leadership Circle. The members are Actis, Alcazar Energy, Arup, Climate Imperative Foundation, Copenhagen Infrastructure Partners, Cygnum Capital, Davidson Kempner, EcoPragma Capital, EDP, Eurelectric, KKR, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, National Grid, Octopus Energy, Quadrature Climate Foundation, Schneider Electric, SDCL and Wärtsilä. For more information on the Leadership Circle, please visit cleaningup.live.
    Links:
    Roberto Capuano’s bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/roberto-capuano/
    Olinia Project: https://www.olinia.auto/
    Subscribe to our newsletter: https://cleaninguppod.substack.com/
    OEM: Original Equipment Manufacturer
    BRT: Bus Rapid Transit
    R&D: Research & Development
    ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
    Chapters:
    00:00 Intro
    02:15 Electrifying Mexico City
    10:33 Olinia's Origins
    11:58 Mini Electric Cars
    18:48 Made in Mexico
    21:25 State-Led Industry
    30:33 Chinese Supply Chains
    36:31 The $8,000 EV
    40:01 Charging Infrastructure
    42:54 Global Ambitions
    45:43 Scaling Olinia
    48:40 Software and Autonomy
    50:01 Political Longevity
    55:31 Outro
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    The Testbed for Asia's Clean-Tech Future | Ep272: Jaime Z. Urquijo

    02/09/2026 | 1h 4min
    Can the Philippines become a testbed for Southeast Asia’s clean-tech future?

    Kicking off Season 19 of Cleaning Up, guest host Marie Cheong meets Jaime Z. Urquijo, Urban Estates Group Head at Ayala Land, one of the Philippines is largest real estate and development companies.

    Ayala Land is a subsidiary of the Ayala Corporation, which has been part of the Philippines' economic story for almost 200 years, and ACEN, its energy platform, has gone from a standing start in 2011 to more than 7GW of renewable capacity across Asia-Pacific.

    Marie and Jaime explore how the Philippines can build cleaner energy, transport and cities from the start while its economy and population continue to grow. They discuss replacing coal with renewables, retiring coal plants early, building resilient cities and making growth less carbon-intensive. From batteries and rooftop solar to green steel and electric buses, they ask what it will take for the Philippines to leapfrog to a cleaner, more resilient economy.

    Topics covered in this conversation:

    The Philippines' clean-energy challenge

    Can growth be decoupled from emissions?

    Making corporate sustainability profitable

    ACEN's renewable-energy transformation

    Southeast Asia's renewable-energy gold rush

    Can coal plants retire early?

    Building resilient cities for climate

    Electric buses and better transport

    Green steel and cleaner construction

    Leadership Circle:

    Cleaning Up is proud to be supported by its Leadership Circle. The members are Actis, Alcazar Energy, Arup, Copenhagen Infrastructure Partners, Cygnum Capital, Davidson Kempner, EcoPragma Capital, EDP, Eurelectric, the Gilardini Foundation, KKR, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, National Grid, Octopus Energy, Quadrature Climate Foundation, Schneider Electric, SDCL and Wärtsilä. For more information about the Leadership Circle, visit cleaningup.live

    Links:

    Jaime Urquijo’s bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaime-urquijo-96526799/

    Ayala Corporation: https://ayala.com/

    Ayala Land: https://ayalaland.com/

    ACEN: https://www.acenrenewables.com/about-us/

    Monsoon Wind Project: https://www.monsoonwindasia.com/

    Marie's past appearance on Cleaning Up: https://youtu.be/RE2ZeGd8aaI

    Acronyms:

    WBCSD: World Business Council for Sustainable Development

    BPO: Business Process Outsourcing

    SBTI: Science Based Targets Initiative.

    MDC: Makati Development Corporation.

    EDC: The Energy Development Corporation

    EPIRA: Electric Power Industry Reform Act

    FIT: Feed-In Tariff

    ETM: Energy Transition Mechanism

    BRT: Bus Rapid Transit System

    ICE: Internal Combustion Engine

    LGU: Local Government Unit

    Chapters:

    00:00: Intro

    04:34: The Philippines

    07:49: Ayala's history

    10:42: Sustainability strategy

    16:16: Net zero

    27:32: Energy liberalisation

    34:09: Regional challenges

    36:27: Coal retirement

    42:07: Resilient cities

    47:45: Green steel

    52:14: Green construction

    54:55: Innovation tailwinds

    58:27: Energy decentralisation

    59:07: Future growth

    01:01:43: Outro
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    The Good, Bad and Downright Ugly of Australia's Energy Transition | Deep Dive Australia 09: Anna Freeman & Michael Liebreich

    26/08/2026 | 1h 3min
    Australia has become a laboratory for the energy transition, what can the rest of the world learn? After two weeks travelling across Australia and meeting the leaders shaping its energy transition, Michael Liebreich got a close up view of the country’s transformation.

    For the final episode of Cleaning Up’s Deep Dive Australia series, the host becomes the guest as Anna Freeman of the Energy Efficiency Council turns the tables and puts Michael in the hot seat to ask him what he has learned.

    Michael divides his takeaways into the good, the less good and the “downright ugly”, from Australia’s extraordinary rooftop solar and battery uptake to its struggles with wind, transmission and diesel. He also asks whether the country really can become a clean energy superpower, and what its successes and failures can teach the rest of the world.

    Topics covered in this episode:

    Australia’s rooftop solar advantage

    Why batteries are beating gas

    The missing middle of electrification

    Can transmission keep up?

    Australia’s expensive wind problem

    The China challenge

    Breaking the diesel addiction

    Why EVs may be finally taking off

    Leadership Circle:

    Cleaning Up is proud to be supported by its Leadership Circle. The members are Actis, Alcazar Energy, Arup, Copenhagen Infrastructure Partners, Cygnum Capital, Davidson Kempner, EcoPragma Capital, EDP, Eurelectric, the Gilardini Foundation, KKR, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, National Grid, Octopus Energy, Quadrature Climate Foundation, Schneider Electric, SDCL and Wärtsilä. For more information about the Leadership Circle, visit cleaningup.live

    Australia Deep Dive Episodes:

    Darren Miller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBhkBTZ9lSI&t=2s

    Chris Bowen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYtapcSdZOo&t=132s

    Marc England https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tKVSJcS_SI&t=2s

    Lily D'Ambrosio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVGL9vVTdeY

    Ross Garnaut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmcm2M5eRxk&t=35s

    David Pocock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgbq5r3XTJY

    Paul Simshauser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZKxb2TnD04

    Martin Green: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgqXnnvlMFg

    Links:

    Anna Freeman’s bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/annafreeman1/

    The Energy Efficiency Council: https://eec.org.au

    Subscribe to our newsletter: https://cleaninguppod.substack.com/

    Stats on Seaborne Trade of diesel: https://ieefa.org/resources/oil-shocks-expose-limits-monetary-policy

    John Pettigrew on Cleaning Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Lg1A958aA&t=5s

    Tim Meyerjürgens on Cleaning Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQgUuJ-dx78&t=16s

    Leo Birnbaum on Cleaning Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa-DHuPNEDg

    Andrew Forrest on Cleaning Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYQmEipY5Wc

    Acronyms:

    IRENA: International Renewable Energy Agency

    EMA: Energy Market Operator

    DNSP: Distribution Network Service Provider

    REZ: Renewable Energy Zones

    AEMO: Australian Energy Market Operator

    Chapters:

    00:00: Intro

    05:45: Solar Adoption

    10:25: Big Batteries

    13:41: The Missing Middle

    19:26: Transmission Grids

    21:35: Australia’s Wind Problem

    32:43: China’s Superpower

    40:53: The Diesel Addiction

    45:24: EV Adoption

    52:58 Lack Of Transparency

    56:19 Michael’s Highlights

    01:14:00: Outro
  • Cleaning Up: Leadership in an Age of Climate Change

    The Next Frontier of Electrification? Industrial Heat | Ep271: James Macnaghten

    19/08/2026 | 39min
    Around the world, factories making food, drink, pharmaceuticals and other everyday products rely on steam, often produced by fossil-fuel boilers. James Macnaghten, founder and CEO of Caldera, is betting that thermal batteries can provide a cheaper and more flexible alternative that stores electricity as heat, and delivers steam on demand.

    This week on Cleaning Up, Bryony Worthington visits Caldera's factory to see how it makes its heat batteries: combining recycled aluminium and iron ore pellets to create a long-lasting, efficient heat store. The technology is designed for industrial processes up to 200°C, which James sees as a major opportunity for electrification.

    They discuss how thermal storage can help factories manage peaks in demand, use electricity when it is cheap or abundant, and reduce pressure on congested grids. They also explore Caldera's plans to scale, its journey from domestic heating to industry, and why James believes a more pragmatic approach to electrification is needed.

    Topics discussed in this episode:

    The hidden opportunity in industrial heat

    How Caldera's heat batteries work

    Why steam still matters

    Heat pumps and thermal storage

    Managing industrial demand spikes

    Turning surplus power into heat

    Scaling a UK climate-tech company

    The case for pragmatic electrification

    Leadership Circle:

    Cleaning Up is proud to be supported by its Leadership Circle. The members are Actis, Alcazar Energy, Arup, Copenhagen Infrastructure Partners, Cygnum Capital, Davidson Kempner, EcoPragma Capital, EDP, Eurelectric, the Gilardini Foundation, KKR, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, National Grid, Octopus Energy, Quadrature Climate Foundation, Schneider Electric, SDCL and Wärtsilä. For more information about the Leadership Circle, visit cleaningup.live

    Links:

    James Macnaghten’s bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-macnaghten

    Caldera: https://www.caldera.co.uk/

    Professor Ning Li on Cleaning Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCUASv01bVY

    Subscribe to our newsletter: https://cleaninguppod.substack.com/

    JVs - Joint Ventures

    IP - Intellectual Property

    Chapters:

    00:00: Intro

    01:53: About Caldera Batteries

    03:42: Heat Storage

    09:47: Caldera Factory Tour

    14:40: Funding Caldera

    17:44: Scaling Up

    25:37: Thermal Storage

    29:02: Energy Price Shocks

    30:27: Flexible Demand

    35:22: UK Success Story

    37:32: Outro
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    How Much Better Can Solar Get? Deep Dive Australia 08: Martin Green

    17/08/2026 | 52min
    Solar was once dismissed as a marginal technology. Today, it is transforming the global energy system, and few people have done more to make that possible than Professor Martin Green. Innovations developed by Green and his research group can now be found in over 90% of all the solar panels in use today

    One of the pioneers of modern solar power, Green’s research has helped make solar panels dramatically more efficient and cheaper to produce. He joins Michael Liebreich to discuss how he got into solar, the breakthroughs that helped drive its extraordinary rise, and the remarkable story of how research carried out at an Australian university helped create the global solar manufacturing industry. They also look at where solar goes next, and whether the next generation of technology can make it even more powerful. 

    Topics discussed in this episode

    The breakthroughs that changed solar

    Understanding solar cells and efficiency

    Racing NASA to new efficiency records

    Pioneering PERC and TOPCon technology

    How solar technology reached the market

    Suntech and the rise of Chinese solar

    The future of solar and batteries

    Which solar technology will dominate?

    Leadership Circle

    Cleaning Up is proud to be supported by its Leadership Circle. The members are Actis, Alcazar Energy, Arup, Copenhagen Infrastructure Partners, Cygnum Capital, Davidson Kempner, EcoPragma Capital, EDP, Eurelectric, the Gilardini Foundation, KKR, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, National Grid, Octopus Energy, Quadrature Climate Foundation, Schneider Electric, SDCL and Wärtsilä. For more information about the Leadership Circle, visit cleaningup.live

    Links

    Martin Green bio: https://www.unsw.edu.au/staff/martin-green

    Australian Centre for Advanced Photovoltaics: https://www.acap.org.au/

    Professor Stephen Chu on Cleaning Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPmgA5cjhfk

    NREL National Renewable Energy Lab chart: https://www.nlr.gov/pv/interactive-cell-efficiency

    Subscribe to our newsletter: cleaninguppod.substack.com

    Acronyms:

    PERC - Passivated Emitter and Rear Cell

    TOPCon - Tunnel Oxide Passivated Contact

    NREL - National Renewable Energy Laboratory

    Chapters

    00:00 - Intro

    02:14 - UNSW Research Group 

    10:25 - Innovations in Solar 

    13:12 - PERC & TOPCon Explained

    19:26 - Efficiency Records & NREL Chart 

    23:48 - Birth of Chinese Solar 

    30:21 - The First Solar Billionaire

    36:23 - Perovskite and Tandem Cells 

    48:12 - Australia's Missed Chance 

    50:13 - Outro
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