Cleaning Up: Leadership in an Age of Climate Change
Michael Liebreich, Bryony Worthington

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- Can Mexico build an electric car for $8,000, and use it to create an entirely new domestic industry? This week on Cleaning Up, Bryony Worthington visits Mexico City to sit down with Roberto Capuano, director of the Olinia Project, and discuss the state-backed effort to develop a new generation of affordable electric mini-vehicles.
Roberto explains why Olinia is designing small EVs specifically around the needs of Mexican cities, how partnerships with Chinese suppliers could accelerate technology transfer, and why price rather than subsidies could ultimately drive EV adoption. They also discuss Mexico's ambitions beyond its domestic market, with potential demand across Latin America and even East Africa.
Topics discussed in this episode:
Why Mexico wants its own carmaker
Electrifying Mexico City's public transport
The rise of electric mini-cars
Building an $8,000 Mexican EV
Why Olinia is partnering with China
The state's role in carmaking
Building a Latin American EV market
Can Olinia deliver by 2027?
Leadership Circle:
Cleaning Up is proud to be supported by its Leadership Circle. The members are Actis, Alcazar Energy, Arup, Climate Imperative Foundation, Copenhagen Infrastructure Partners, Cygnum Capital, Davidson Kempner, EcoPragma Capital, EDP, Eurelectric, KKR, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, National Grid, Octopus Energy, Quadrature Climate Foundation, Schneider Electric, SDCL and Wärtsilä. For more information on the Leadership Circle, please visit cleaningup.live.
Links:
Roberto Capuano’s bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/roberto-capuano/
Olinia Project: https://www.olinia.auto/
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OEM: Original Equipment Manufacturer
BRT: Bus Rapid Transit
R&D: Research & Development
ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
02:15 Electrifying Mexico City
10:33 Olinia's Origins
11:58 Mini Electric Cars
18:48 Made in Mexico
21:25 State-Led Industry
30:33 Chinese Supply Chains
36:31 The $8,000 EV
40:01 Charging Infrastructure
42:54 Global Ambitions
45:43 Scaling Olinia
48:40 Software and Autonomy
50:01 Political Longevity
55:31 Outro - Can the Philippines become a testbed for Southeast Asia’s clean-tech future?
Kicking off Season 19 of Cleaning Up, guest host Marie Cheong meets Jaime Z. Urquijo, Urban Estates Group Head at Ayala Land, one of the Philippines is largest real estate and development companies.
Ayala Land is a subsidiary of the Ayala Corporation, which has been part of the Philippines' economic story for almost 200 years, and ACEN, its energy platform, has gone from a standing start in 2011 to more than 7GW of renewable capacity across Asia-Pacific.
Marie and Jaime explore how the Philippines can build cleaner energy, transport and cities from the start while its economy and population continue to grow. They discuss replacing coal with renewables, retiring coal plants early, building resilient cities and making growth less carbon-intensive. From batteries and rooftop solar to green steel and electric buses, they ask what it will take for the Philippines to leapfrog to a cleaner, more resilient economy.
Topics covered in this conversation:
The Philippines' clean-energy challenge
Can growth be decoupled from emissions?
Making corporate sustainability profitable
ACEN's renewable-energy transformation
Southeast Asia's renewable-energy gold rush
Can coal plants retire early?
Building resilient cities for climate
Electric buses and better transport
Green steel and cleaner construction
Leadership Circle:
Cleaning Up is proud to be supported by its Leadership Circle. The members are Actis, Alcazar Energy, Arup, Copenhagen Infrastructure Partners, Cygnum Capital, Davidson Kempner, EcoPragma Capital, EDP, Eurelectric, the Gilardini Foundation, KKR, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, National Grid, Octopus Energy, Quadrature Climate Foundation, Schneider Electric, SDCL and Wärtsilä. For more information about the Leadership Circle, visit cleaningup.live
Links:
Jaime Urquijo’s bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaime-urquijo-96526799/
Ayala Corporation: https://ayala.com/
Ayala Land: https://ayalaland.com/
ACEN: https://www.acenrenewables.com/about-us/
Monsoon Wind Project: https://www.monsoonwindasia.com/
Marie's past appearance on Cleaning Up: https://youtu.be/RE2ZeGd8aaI
Acronyms:
WBCSD: World Business Council for Sustainable Development
BPO: Business Process Outsourcing
SBTI: Science Based Targets Initiative.
MDC: Makati Development Corporation.
EDC: The Energy Development Corporation
EPIRA: Electric Power Industry Reform Act
FIT: Feed-In Tariff
ETM: Energy Transition Mechanism
BRT: Bus Rapid Transit System
ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
LGU: Local Government Unit
Chapters:
00:00: Intro
04:34: The Philippines
07:49: Ayala's history
10:42: Sustainability strategy
16:16: Net zero
27:32: Energy liberalisation
34:09: Regional challenges
36:27: Coal retirement
42:07: Resilient cities
47:45: Green steel
52:14: Green construction
54:55: Innovation tailwinds
58:27: Energy decentralisation
59:07: Future growth
01:01:43: Outro The Good, Bad and Downright Ugly of Australia's Energy Transition | Deep Dive Australia 09: Anna Freeman & Michael Liebreich
26/08/2026 | 1h 3minAustralia has become a laboratory for the energy transition, what can the rest of the world learn? After two weeks travelling across Australia and meeting the leaders shaping its energy transition, Michael Liebreich got a close up view of the country’s transformation.
For the final episode of Cleaning Up’s Deep Dive Australia series, the host becomes the guest as Anna Freeman of the Energy Efficiency Council turns the tables and puts Michael in the hot seat to ask him what he has learned.
Michael divides his takeaways into the good, the less good and the “downright ugly”, from Australia’s extraordinary rooftop solar and battery uptake to its struggles with wind, transmission and diesel. He also asks whether the country really can become a clean energy superpower, and what its successes and failures can teach the rest of the world.
Topics covered in this episode:
Australia’s rooftop solar advantage
Why batteries are beating gas
The missing middle of electrification
Can transmission keep up?
Australia’s expensive wind problem
The China challenge
Breaking the diesel addiction
Why EVs may be finally taking off
Leadership Circle:
Cleaning Up is proud to be supported by its Leadership Circle. The members are Actis, Alcazar Energy, Arup, Copenhagen Infrastructure Partners, Cygnum Capital, Davidson Kempner, EcoPragma Capital, EDP, Eurelectric, the Gilardini Foundation, KKR, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, National Grid, Octopus Energy, Quadrature Climate Foundation, Schneider Electric, SDCL and Wärtsilä. For more information about the Leadership Circle, visit cleaningup.live
Australia Deep Dive Episodes:
Darren Miller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBhkBTZ9lSI&t=2s
Chris Bowen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYtapcSdZOo&t=132s
Marc England https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tKVSJcS_SI&t=2s
Lily D'Ambrosio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVGL9vVTdeY
Ross Garnaut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmcm2M5eRxk&t=35s
David Pocock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgbq5r3XTJY
Paul Simshauser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZKxb2TnD04
Martin Green: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgqXnnvlMFg
Links:
Anna Freeman’s bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/annafreeman1/
The Energy Efficiency Council: https://eec.org.au
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Stats on Seaborne Trade of diesel: https://ieefa.org/resources/oil-shocks-expose-limits-monetary-policy
John Pettigrew on Cleaning Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Lg1A958aA&t=5s
Tim Meyerjürgens on Cleaning Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQgUuJ-dx78&t=16s
Leo Birnbaum on Cleaning Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa-DHuPNEDg
Andrew Forrest on Cleaning Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYQmEipY5Wc
Acronyms:
IRENA: International Renewable Energy Agency
EMA: Energy Market Operator
DNSP: Distribution Network Service Provider
REZ: Renewable Energy Zones
AEMO: Australian Energy Market Operator
Chapters:
00:00: Intro
05:45: Solar Adoption
10:25: Big Batteries
13:41: The Missing Middle
19:26: Transmission Grids
21:35: Australia’s Wind Problem
32:43: China’s Superpower
40:53: The Diesel Addiction
45:24: EV Adoption
52:58 Lack Of Transparency
56:19 Michael’s Highlights
01:14:00: Outro- Around the world, factories making food, drink, pharmaceuticals and other everyday products rely on steam, often produced by fossil-fuel boilers. James Macnaghten, founder and CEO of Caldera, is betting that thermal batteries can provide a cheaper and more flexible alternative that stores electricity as heat, and delivers steam on demand.
This week on Cleaning Up, Bryony Worthington visits Caldera's factory to see how it makes its heat batteries: combining recycled aluminium and iron ore pellets to create a long-lasting, efficient heat store. The technology is designed for industrial processes up to 200°C, which James sees as a major opportunity for electrification.
They discuss how thermal storage can help factories manage peaks in demand, use electricity when it is cheap or abundant, and reduce pressure on congested grids. They also explore Caldera's plans to scale, its journey from domestic heating to industry, and why James believes a more pragmatic approach to electrification is needed.
Topics discussed in this episode:
The hidden opportunity in industrial heat
How Caldera's heat batteries work
Why steam still matters
Heat pumps and thermal storage
Managing industrial demand spikes
Turning surplus power into heat
Scaling a UK climate-tech company
The case for pragmatic electrification
Leadership Circle:
Cleaning Up is proud to be supported by its Leadership Circle. The members are Actis, Alcazar Energy, Arup, Copenhagen Infrastructure Partners, Cygnum Capital, Davidson Kempner, EcoPragma Capital, EDP, Eurelectric, the Gilardini Foundation, KKR, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, National Grid, Octopus Energy, Quadrature Climate Foundation, Schneider Electric, SDCL and Wärtsilä. For more information about the Leadership Circle, visit cleaningup.live
Links:
James Macnaghten’s bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-macnaghten
Caldera: https://www.caldera.co.uk/
Professor Ning Li on Cleaning Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCUASv01bVY
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JVs - Joint Ventures
IP - Intellectual Property
Chapters:
00:00: Intro
01:53: About Caldera Batteries
03:42: Heat Storage
09:47: Caldera Factory Tour
14:40: Funding Caldera
17:44: Scaling Up
25:37: Thermal Storage
29:02: Energy Price Shocks
30:27: Flexible Demand
35:22: UK Success Story
37:32: Outro - Solar was once dismissed as a marginal technology. Today, it is transforming the global energy system, and few people have done more to make that possible than Professor Martin Green. Innovations developed by Green and his research group can now be found in over 90% of all the solar panels in use today
One of the pioneers of modern solar power, Green’s research has helped make solar panels dramatically more efficient and cheaper to produce. He joins Michael Liebreich to discuss how he got into solar, the breakthroughs that helped drive its extraordinary rise, and the remarkable story of how research carried out at an Australian university helped create the global solar manufacturing industry. They also look at where solar goes next, and whether the next generation of technology can make it even more powerful.
Topics discussed in this episode
The breakthroughs that changed solar
Understanding solar cells and efficiency
Racing NASA to new efficiency records
Pioneering PERC and TOPCon technology
How solar technology reached the market
Suntech and the rise of Chinese solar
The future of solar and batteries
Which solar technology will dominate?
Leadership Circle
Cleaning Up is proud to be supported by its Leadership Circle. The members are Actis, Alcazar Energy, Arup, Copenhagen Infrastructure Partners, Cygnum Capital, Davidson Kempner, EcoPragma Capital, EDP, Eurelectric, the Gilardini Foundation, KKR, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, National Grid, Octopus Energy, Quadrature Climate Foundation, Schneider Electric, SDCL and Wärtsilä. For more information about the Leadership Circle, visit cleaningup.live
Links
Martin Green bio: https://www.unsw.edu.au/staff/martin-green
Australian Centre for Advanced Photovoltaics: https://www.acap.org.au/
Professor Stephen Chu on Cleaning Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPmgA5cjhfk
NREL National Renewable Energy Lab chart: https://www.nlr.gov/pv/interactive-cell-efficiency
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Acronyms:
PERC - Passivated Emitter and Rear Cell
TOPCon - Tunnel Oxide Passivated Contact
NREL - National Renewable Energy Laboratory
Chapters
00:00 - Intro
02:14 - UNSW Research Group
10:25 - Innovations in Solar
13:12 - PERC & TOPCon Explained
19:26 - Efficiency Records & NREL Chart
23:48 - Birth of Chinese Solar
30:21 - The First Solar Billionaire
36:23 - Perovskite and Tandem Cells
48:12 - Australia's Missed Chance
50:13 - Outro
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Once a week, Michael Liebreich and Bryony Worthington have a conversation with a leader in clean energy, mobility, climate finance or sustainable development. Informative, inspiring and fun!
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