Swimming with Allocators

In this 100th episode of Swimming with Alligators, Earnest and Alexa dive into how emerging managers and VCs can truly differentiate in a world where everyone shows the same logos and track records. They unpack why LPs increasingly care about who actually sourced and led deals, why personal differentiation matters more than over-explaining strategy, and how consumer investing is quietly coming back into favor. They explore the limits of “AI strategies” that are more theater than edge, the shifting career paths for 30–40-something VCs, and whether the popular barbell approach to venture (tiny funds + megafunds) still fits a rapidly changing market. They also discuss how diligence is evolving, why moats now look more like trust, data, and distribution than pure tech, and what a wave of large IPOs could mean for angels, new funds, and early-stage competition.

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:


Celebrating 100 Episodes and DDQ Format (0:33)  


Differentiation in Fund Decks and Shared Logo Problem (2:12)


Why Sourced vs Led Matters and Back-Channel Relationships (3:56)


Overemphasis on Strategy vs True Differentiation and Team Cohesion (6:25)


Pressure to Go Public, Headaches of Being Public, and Lawsuit Risk (10:14)


OpenAI, Anthropic, SpaceX, and Logic of If They Do It, We Have to Do It (12:26)


Enterprise VCs Moving into Consumer and Founders Rethinking Moats (14:11)


Distribution, Brand, Trust, and Proprietary Data as Defensible Moats (16:25)


Google, Personal Data, and Unseen Costs of Using LLMs (18:15)


LPs Asking About AI Strategy and Congruent Use of AI Tools (20:44)


Start ,Bench, Cut, Trade, and Suspend for 30s and 40s VCs (24:46)


Allocators Following a Barbell Approach and Conventional Wisdom (27:11)


LPs Diligencing Firm Strategy, Hiring, and Seed Creep at Large Funds (34:56)


Audience Q&A Segment Introduction and Contact Information (37:13)


Tinkering, Experimenting with Workflows, and Evaluating AI Tool Impact (39:07)


Durability of Business Models, Trust, Distribution, and Manufactured Momentum (41:02)


Post-IPO Talent Leaving, Mafias, and Angel-Backed New Founders (44:11)


Closing Reflections on 100 Episodes and Looking Ahead to the Future (46:24)

Swimming with Allocators is a podcast that dives into the intriguing world of Venture Capital from an LP (Limited Partner) perspective. Hosts Alexa Binns and Earnest Sweat are seasoned professionals who have donned various hats in the VC ecosystem. Each episode, we explore where the future opportunities lie in the VC landscape with insights from top LPs on their investment strategies and industry experts shedding light on emerging trends and technologies. 

The information provided on this podcast does not, and is not intended to, constitute legal advice; instead, all information, content, and materials available on this podcast are for general informational purposes only.
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This week on Swimming with Allocators, Earnest and Alexa welcome Mike Kakenmaster, Director of Investments at Loyola University Chicago, to discuss how a small endowment builds and scales a modern private capital and venture program. Mike shares his journey from hedge funds and a family office to Loyola, explaining how being a generalist across asset classes (hedge funds, buyout, credit, venture) helps him see risks, opportunities, and market cycles more clearly. The conversation covers the shift of LP attention between private markets and hedge funds, how Loyola doubled its private capital allocation, and why they moved deliberately into venture instead of rushing into brand-name funds. Mike also explains why early-stage track records can be misleading, how he evaluates managers (portfolio construction, reserves, access, networks, and founder/company quality), and why smaller and emerging managers can be especially compelling. Also, Chuck Daly of Sidley focuses on how first-time fund managers should thoughtfully build their operational and governance infrastructure, especially around disclosures and conflicts of interest, so they can run a real business, protect LPs, and clearly communicate how they’ll handle inevitable issues.

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:


From Hedge Funds And Family Office To Loyola Investment Office (0:30)


What Keeps Mike Interested in Allocating and Fund Investments (3:14)


Advantages of Being a Generalist Across Multiple Asset Classes (5:42)


Shift of Capital Between Private Markets and Hedge Funds (10:30)


Growing Loyola’s Private Capital Allocation and Building from Scratch (13:22)


Early Days Entering Venture During a Hot Fundraising Environment (16:51)


Operational Infrastructure, Disclosures, and Conflicts Framework for GPs (19:20)


Governance Framework and Handling Unforeseen Conflicts of Interest (22:40)


Avoiding Overreliance on Early Venture Track Records and Marks (27:53)


Evaluating Reserves, Follow-On Decisions, and Portfolio Construction (32:14)


Loyola’s Venture Strategy, Emerging Managers, and Fund Size Sweet Spot (34:34)


Advantages of Partnering with Smaller Endowments for GPs (39:16)


Advice to Smaller Endowments Starting a Venture Program (43:20)


Final Thoughts and Takeaways (46:21)

Founded in 1870, Loyola University Chicago is one of the nation’s largest Jesuit, Catholic universities, with nearly 17,000 students.

The University has four campuses: three in the greater Chicago area and one in Rome, Italy, as well as course locations at our Retreat and Ecology Campus in Woodstock, Illinois. The University features 13 schools and colleges, including the Quinlan School of Business, Marcella Niehoff School of Nursing, Stritch School of Medicine, Parkinson School of Health Sciences and Public Health, Arrupe College, College of Arts and Sciences, School of Communication, School of Continuing and Professional Studies, School of Education, School of Environmental Sustainability, School of Law, School of Social Work, and Graduate School.

Consistently ranked a top national university by U.S. News & World Report, Loyola is also among a select group of universities recognized for community service and engagement by prestigious national organizations like the Carnegie Foundation and the Corporation for National and Community Service.

Sidley Austin LLP is a premier global law firm with a dedicated Venture Funds practice, advising top venture capital firms, institutional investors, and private equity sponsors on fund formation, investment structuring, and regulatory compliance. With deep expertise across private markets, Sidley provides strategic legal counsel to help funds scale effectively. Learn more at sidley.com.

Swimming with Allocators is a podcast that dives into the intriguing world of Venture Capital from an LP (Limited Partner) perspective. Hosts Alexa Binns and Earnest Sweat are seasoned professionals who have donned various hats in the VC ecosystem. Each episode, we explore where the future opportunities lie in the VC landscape with insights from top LPs on their investment strategies and industry experts shedding light on emerging trends and technologies. 

The information provided on this podcast does not, and is not intended to, constitute legal advice; instead, all information, content, and materials available on this podcast are for general informational purposes only.

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This week on Swimming with Allocators, growth-investor-turned-LP Yuri Lee (TMRS) joins Earnest and Alexa and explains how her global upbringing and love of technology shaped her investing philosophy and belief that talent can come from anywhere. She walks through TMRS’s $3B and growing venture/growth mandate, how they split exposure between early-stage and multi-stage funds, and why they are building an aggressive 50/50 funds and co-investment program. Yuri shares what she looks for in emerging managers in clear, differentiated edge in sourcing, picking, or winning; true product–market fit between a manager’s edge and fund strategy; and non-consensus, outlier ideas. Throughout, she offers candid advice on how GPs can better pitch institutional LPs, why most decks sound the same, and what it really takes to stand out in a consensus-heavy, AI-dominated market. Also, Chuck Daly of Sidley talks about how emerging VC managers should think proactively about compliance, conflicts of interest, disclosure, and performance/marketing practices under (and aligned with) the Advisers Act and SEC’s marketing rule principles.

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:


How a Global Upbringing Shapes an Investor’s Worldview (0:13)


Consumer Investing and Game Development Experience (2:22)


Market Cycles in SaaS and Consumer Narratives (4:19)


TMRS Mandate and Building a New Venture Program (6:16)


Early Stage Managers and Differentiated, Non-Consensus Portfolios (9:20)


What Matters Most at Early Stage vs Growth Stage (12:08)


What LPs Really Want to Hear About: Companies and Decisions (14:11)


How Pensions and Institutional LPs Run Diligence (17:04)


Managing Portfolio Company Synergies and Conflicts (23:56)


Marketing Rule Principles, Performance, and Case Studies (26:21)


Why TMRS Uses Co-Invests and Target Mix With Funds (30:15)


Barbell Approach: Early Stage Funds and Later Stage Co Invests (32:02)


Information Gaps for LPs vs GPs and Founder Access (35:55)


Consensus Rounds, Party Rounds, and Manager Profiles (38:56)


Role of Non-Consensus Managers and Unique Edges (42:09)


Rethinking AI Thesis and Value Capture by Model Labs (43:22)


Advice For GPs Moving to LP Roles and Building Empathy (45:20)


Final Thoughts and Takeaways (47:18)

The Texas Municipal Retirement System is a $48+ billion public pension plan serving employees of participating Texas cities. TMRS invests across a diversified portfolio including public equities, fixed income, real assets, and private equity, with venture and growth investments forming an important component of its private markets strategy.

Sidley Austin LLP is a premier global law firm with a dedicated Venture Funds practice, advising top venture capital firms, institutional investors, and private equity sponsors on fund formation, investment structuring, and regulatory compliance. With deep expertise across private markets, Sidley provides strategic legal counsel to help funds scale effectively. Learn more at sidley.com.

Swimming with Allocators is a podcast that dives into the intriguing world of Venture Capital from an LP (Limited Partner) perspective. Hosts Alexa Binns and Earnest Sweat are seasoned professionals who have donned various hats in the VC ecosystem. Each episode, we explore where the future opportunities lie in the VC landscape with insights from top LPs on their investment strategies and industry experts shedding light on emerging trends and technologies. 

The information provided on this podcast does not, and is not intended to, constitute legal advice; instead, all information, content, and materials available on this podcast are for general informational purposes only.

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This week on Swimming with Allocators, Erik Balck Sørensen joins Earnest and Alexa to share his journey from serial founder in an almost non-existent Danish startup scene to CIO of Denmark’s Export and Investment Fund, a sovereign platform backing innovation at scale. Erik explains how Denmark went from having no venture funds or ecosystem infrastructure to becoming a global player in biotech, green tech, and deep tech, and why “giving back” and tight founder communities were crucial to that evolution. He breaks down what it really means to run a sovereign wealth fund with a dual mandate, balancing financial returns for taxpayers with societal impact, and how political momentum, past missteps, and investment discipline shape their strategy. Erik also details Denmark’s 2030 plan: moving faster, professionalizing as an LP and direct investor, and doubling or tripling down on stronghold verticals like life sciences, selected green technologies, quantum computing, and European growth-stage capital. Additionally, Chuck Daly explains how evolving market dynamics, LP demands, and longer-dated, more complex venture products are reshaping the regulatory landscape for VC managers, driving greater scrutiny on valuation, fund structures, and exemptions, and highlighting the value of Sidley’s deep, shared institutional expertise for GPs navigating this shift.

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:


Erik’s Journey From Founder to Sovereign Wealth CIO (0:13)


Community Building and Giving Back Culture (5:26)  


Corporates, Biotech, Green Tech, and Deep Tech (8:17)  


What Denmark’s Export and Investment Fund Is (9:39)  


Balancing Political Momentum, Purpose, and Profit (12:52)  


Small Country Strategy and Global Fund Partnerships (15:51)  


2030 Strategy to Move Faster and Smarter (19:42)  


Priority Verticals: Biotech, Quantum, Green Tech, Growth (32:08)  


Misconceptions About the Fund and New Operating Style (36:58)  


Infrastructure Bets: AI Supercomputer and Quantum Facility (40:48)  


Technological Sovereignty and Europe’s Tech Dependence (44:14)  


Defense Technology Catch-Up with US Partners (48:47)  


Optimism From Founders and How to Contact Erik (51:01)  

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Sidley Austin LLP is a premier global law firm with a dedicated Venture Funds practice, advising top venture capital firms, institutional investors, and private equity sponsors on fund formation, investment structuring, and regulatory compliance. With deep expertise across private markets, Sidley provides strategic legal counsel to help funds scale effectively. Learn more at sidley.com.

Swimming with Allocators is a podcast that dives into the intriguing world of Venture Capital from an LP (Limited Partner) perspective. Hosts Alexa Binns and Earnest Sweat are seasoned professionals who have donned various hats in the VC ecosystem. Each episode, we explore where the future opportunities lie in the VC landscape with insights from top LPs on their investment strategies and industry experts shedding light on emerging trends and technologies. 

The information provided on this podcast does not, and is not intended to, constitute legal advice; instead, all information, content, and materials available on this podcast are for general informational purposes only.
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This week on Swimming with Allocators, Wes Panek joins Earnest and Alexa to share his unconventional journey from consulting and international development to venture capital, and ultimately to his current role as an LP at the Astera Institute, a multi-billion-dollar foundation focused on deep tech and frontier science. Wes explains how his family background shaped his desire to make markets work for everyone, what he learned evaluating hundreds of emerging managers at Screen Door, and why he believes there is no single playbook for success in venture. He breaks down how and why Astera is adding fund investing alongside grants and research, the structural advantages of foundations backing deep tech funds, and the gaps he sees in LP coverage of technical managers. Wes also offers practical lessons on building a new fund-of-funds program from scratch, including the importance of deploying capital sooner, being highly selective with time, and leveraging flexibility without losing discipline. For LPs and GPs interested in deep tech, he shares advice on underwriting technical strategies without a PhD, the rare “unicorn” profile of ideal managers, and concrete qualifiers for funds that might be a fit for Astera’s capital. Additionally, Chuck Daly of Sidley explains how today’s SEC and global regulators are refocusing on core anti-fraud, valuation, conflicts of interest, and disclosure principles for venture managers, with growing state and international scrutiny—especially around process, governance, and ESG — outside the US.

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:


Wes’s Journey From Consulting to International Development and Venture (0:35)  


Learning GP–LP Dynamics and Two Customers in Venture (3:55)  


Mission of Astera Institute and Focus on Frontier Tech (5:54)  


Adding Fund Investing and Deep Tech Focus at Astera (7:19)  


Designing Astera’s Deep Tech Fund Strategy as an Experiment (11:05)  


Regulatory Priorities for VC Managers: Communication and Anti Fraud (15:45)  


SEC Expectations on Valuation Process and Consistency (20:21)  


Global Regulatory Trends and ESG Focus for Venture (23:20)  


Foundation vs Fund of Funds: Flexibility, Risk, and Time Horizon (28:36)  


How Astera Underwrites Deep Tech Funds and Direct Investments (29:09)  


Do LPs Need To Be Technical and How To Skill Up (34:43)  


Ideal Traits of Deep Tech GPs and Wes’s Bias Toward Technical Founders (39:52)  


Fund Parameters Wes Backs: Size, Stage, and Themes (43:20)  

Astera Institute is a philanthropic organization dedicated to advancing frontier science and technology for the benefit of humanity. The Institute supports in-house scientific research, grantmaking, direct investments, and fund investing to accelerate progress in areas such as artificial intelligence, neuroscience, energy, and other deep-tech domains.

Learn more at asterainstitute.org.  

Sidley Austin LLP is a premier global law firm with a dedicated Venture Funds practice, advising top venture capital firms, institutional investors, and private equity sponsors on fund formation, investment structuring, and regulatory compliance. With deep expertise across private markets, Sidley provides strategic legal counsel to help funds scale effectively. Learn more at sidley.com.

Swimming with Allocators is a podcast that dives into the intriguing world of Venture Capital from an LP (Limited Partner) perspective. Hosts Alexa Binns and Earnest Sweat are seasoned professionals who have donned various hats in the VC ecosystem. Each episode, we explore where the future opportunities lie in the VC landscape with insights from top LPs on their investment strategies and industry experts shedding light on emerging trends and technologies. 

The information provided on this podcast does not, and is not intended to, constitute legal advice; instead, all information, content, and materials available on this podcast are for general informational purposes only.
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