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Accenture found some staff spending $1,000 a month on AI, so it set a $29 monthly limit per employee, and Eric and Neil both think the cap is smart. They point out that reported AI revenue can be gross rather than net, then cite Ramp's AI spend index, where the median is $11. They agree a policy needs exceptions for people who prove value, while Neil shares how he downgraded his ChatGPT plan. The back half covers two-slice teams, Bending Spoons' model of cutting most of a company, and Evernote going from 433 staff at its peak to about 30 today. They close on Berkshire Hathaway's $330M stake in Bending Spoons and the 41% jump in the stock. Spend with a reason.

Key takeaways◾Accenture's $29 cap is smart, but proven high spenders should get exceptions◾Most people pay for top models to do basic work, so match the model to the task◾Evernote went from 433 staff at its peak to about 30 under Bending Spoons

Chapters00:00 Accenture caps AI spend at $29 a month00:23 Did staff really spend $1,000 a month?01:53 Reported AI revenue is often gross, not net03:31 Ramp's AI spend index: median is $1104:14 Set a policy, then talk to top spenders04:56 Exceptions for people proving value05:45 Neil downgrades his ChatGPT plan06:39 A 45-minute AI session that is worth it08:26 Two-slice teams, not two-pizza teams09:30 Pirate and architect: coordination drag10:25 Small teams ship faster12:00 Meta's 200 people out of 70,00012:39 Bending Spoons: a private equity model14:04 A layoff post that also launches features15:24 Evernote: 433 staff at peak, about 30 now16:18 Why public markets accept deep cuts17:07 Berkshire's $330M stake, stock up 41%

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Eric and Neil say the rule of 7 has grown toward the rule of 28, and that buyers touch a brand 8 times for a sub-$100 B2C buy and 23 times at $10K-plus. A gelato shop stranger who knew them from different places makes the case that you never know where people will find you. They cover why YouTube drives leads that nobody can attribute, then Meta's $14.9B deal for 49% of Scale AI and the 200-person AI team that Alexander Wang, the former Scale AI CEO, leads. Zuckerberg's line that talent density beats big teams for AI is tested against Meta's 70,000 staff. Neil explains his private equity mindset and his debt at SOFR plus 2%, and they close on the failures that come with big bets. Attention, talent and the cost of big bets.

Key takeaways

◾Buyers touch a brand 8 times for a cheap B2C buy and 23 times at $10K-plus

◾Meta built a 200-person AI team out of 70,000 staff, which Zuckerberg calls talent density

◾Meta paid $14.9B for 49% of Scale AI, and Eric says the bet looks like it is paying off

Chapters

00:00 Rule of 7 is now the rule of 28

00:44 Touches before buying: 8 cheap, 23 at $10K+

01:34 A gelato shop stranger, and where people find you

03:53 YouTube drives leads you cannot attribute

04:27 Platforms stop sharing data

06:23 Meta's 200-person AI team, talent over size

07:36 Neil's private equity mindset

09:18 Zuckerberg asks peers what they would do

10:44 Neil's debt: SOFR plus 2%

13:14 Pain now for a bigger company later

14:17 Failures: rockets, timelines and the metaverse

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Eric and Neil start with X Money, which pays 3% cash back and 6% interest, and argue that the offer is under marketed and would get more people investing. They test an AI-written blog post on a client, who took it for human writing, then cover a time-on-page chart that compares human and AI content. They debate whether writing is thinking and whether a real name still beats AI copy. Dan Shipper's claim that newsletters are dying, from a writer with over 120,000 subscribers, leads to a debate on email, AI summaries in the inbox and whether YouTube is S-tier. They close on every channel getting more competitive over time. Human voice still earns the trust.

Key takeaways

◾X Money pays 3% cash back and 6% interest, but the 3% has fine print

◾A human byline near the title held readers longer in their time-on-page test

◾Eric and Neil dispute Dan Shipper's claim that newsletters are dead

Chapters

00:00 X Money: 6% interest

04:07 The AI blog post test

10:01 Potato, SpaceX and GrokBot

10:33 Writing is thinking

14:26 Which channels are S-tier

15:47 Are newsletters dead?

17:06 AI summaries and the inbox

18:46 Every channel gets more competitive

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Eric and Neil open with Tesla's Roadster flying car, which they treat as a marketing stunt that keeps Tesla in the conversation. The AI fluency gap follows, with Karpathy's funnel, where most people barely touch an LLM, and agents that still misfire. Next is X Money and the newsletter debate, then a blog post test that a client took for human writing. The back half covers the rule of 28, Meta's 200-person AI team inside a 70,000 staff company, and why YouTube leads are hard to attribute. The show ends on Accenture's $29 monthly AI cap, Ramp's AI spend index and Bending Spoons' cuts at Evernote. Attention, trust and spend with a reason.

Key takeaways

◾Accenture's $29 AI cap is smart, but proven high spenders should get exceptions

◾Meta built a 200-person AI team out of 70,000 staff, which Zuckerberg calls talent density

◾Tesla's flying Roadster is a stunt, and agents still need a human check

Chapters

00:00 Tesla's flying car stunt

04:56 Is the Roadster $50,000 or $250,000?

09:48 Why Porsche lost its edge

12:22 Agents, not models

13:58 Agents still unreliable in marketing

17:19 Karpathy's AI-gap funnel

20:00 Agent slop and the cost of rework

21:00 Workflows as a service

22:08 X Money: 6% interest

26:34 The AI blog post test

32:08 Potato, SpaceX and GrokBot

32:41 Writing is thinking

36:34 Which channels are S-tier

37:55 Are newsletters dead?

41:24 Rule of 7 is now the rule of 28

45:17 YouTube drives leads you cannot attribute

47:47 Meta's 200-person AI team, talent over size

49:00 Neil's private equity mindset

52:08 Neil's debt: SOFR plus 2%

55:41 Failures: rockets, timelines and the metaverse

56:42 Accenture caps AI spend at $29 a month

1:00:14 Ramp's AI spend index: median is $11

1:02:09 Neil downgrades his ChatGPT plan

1:03:03 A 45-minute AI session that is worth it

1:04:49 Two-slice teams, not two-pizza teams

1:09:02 Bending Spoons: a private equity model

1:11:47 Evernote: 433 staff at peak, about 30 now

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Some agencies win clients by inviting decision makers to Formula One boxes, but Neil prefers the way banks play the wine and dining game. Bank of America sent his CFO to a World Cup game with the hotel paid, and Wells Fargo offers suites and seats after the deal is done, just to say thanks. Then a competing bank tried to match Wells Fargo's refinance offer at the last minute, after months of saying no. Eric shares a group text pitch dressed up as comparing notes, and Neil tells the worst pitch he's heard: a financial advisor chasing a friend's $25M house sale and eight-figure profit with one cherry-picked account and a stock that barely moves down. A blunt episode on relationships and selling.

Key takeaways

◾Thank-you tickets with no pitch keep clients around

◾Match the offer early, because last-minute fixes come too late

◾Be direct when you sell, and show all your numbers

Chapters

00:00 The wine and dining game

00:47 Competitors win clients with Formula One boxes

01:30 Bank of America sent our CFO to the World Cup

02:32 Wells Fargo offers tickets after the deal

03:39 Tickets with no sales pitch keep clients

04:44 The bank that came too late

05:48 Too little, too late, like a bad hire

06:33 Steve Jobs to Tim Cook: do the right thing

07:18 Group texts gone wrong

08:49 Selling while pretending not to sell

09:50 The worst sales pitch

10:52 One client account next to Buffett and Ackman

12:05 70% leverage and 'it barely moves down'

12:58 AI showed the stock drops far more often

13:44 Big investors get deals you don't

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