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Bonus – The Art of Allowing: Psychedelics, Breathwork & Expanded States (311)

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Licensed mental health counselor and breathwork facilitator, Patty Nagle, explores the practice of “allowing”—slowing down, releasing the need to constantly effort, and creating space for new possibilities. Patty discusses expanded states of consciousness through psychedelics, breathwork, and nature, and explains how these experiences can interrupt deeply ingrained patterns and open the door to change. Alongside co-host Sue Marriott, the two share the importance of preparation, safety, discernment, and integration, and why the real work often begins after the experience.

Timestamps for The Art of Allowing: Psychedelics, Breathwork & Expanded States of Consciousness (311)

03:04 Surrender and allowing as a healing practice

05:26 Bringing expanded consciousness into the world

08:38 What is an expanded state of consciousness?

09:15 Methods to induce expanded states: breathwork, nature, psychedelics

11:07 The spectrum of expanded states and their effects

13:43 The potential and risks of psychedelics

17:21 The importance of slow down and integration

21:16 Candidates and contraindications for psychedelic work

23:07 Managing adverse experiences and set and setting

32:32 The history and cultural significance of psychedelics

39:40 The process of integration and touchstones

50:39 Opportunities and offerings for learning and community

About our Guest – Patty Nagle, LMHC

Patty Nagle is a Licensed Mental Health Counselor (LMHC) and certified Grof® Breathwork facilitator who supports individuals navigating the complex, beautiful, and often bewildering territory of healing and transformation. She specializes in helping people prepare for and integrate expanded states of consciousness—including psychedelic experiences—offering grounded, heart-centered guidance for those walking the path of inner exploration. Patty’s approach is rooted in transpersonal and Jungian psychology, deep listening, and a healthy respect for the fact that the healing process rarely follows a straight line. Before becoming a therapist, she spent many years in nonprofit management. That experience continues to inform her therapeutic approach, which is grounded, practical, and attuned to both personal and collective well-being. Today, Patty combines professional expertise with intuitive presence, creating spaces where clients feel safe to unravel, release, and rediscover themselves. Her work is grounded in respect for the wisdom of the psyche and a deep trust in the human capacity for healing when given the space and support to unfold naturally. Whether working with individuals or facilitating groups, her presence invites trust, curiosity, and surrender to the wisdom within. She is also the creator and facilitator of The Great Allowing: A Collective Exploration, an ongoing series of online group explorations of various topics that invite participants to soften the habit of striving,reconnect with the wisdom of the body and psyche, and cultivate a more trusting relationship with life. She lives in a small village just north of Santa Fe, New Mexico, where the high desert landscape offers both inspiration and solace. Surrounded by nature and accompanied by her two beloved dogs, Patty finds renewal in the simplicity of daily life and the beauty of the natural world. Her work is informed by a lifelong curiosity about the human experience and a devotion to the quiet wisdom that arises when we learn to try less and trust more.

To learn more about Patty’s work, events, and offerings, visit www.thegreatallowing.com.

Feel free to contact Patty at patty@thegreatallowing.com.

Resources for The Art of Allowing: Psychedelics, Breathwork & Expanded States of Consciousness (311)

The Great Allowing – Patty’s website: lists upcoming online offerings. Listeners are invited to fill out a contact form on the website to request a phone conversation with Patty and to receive future updates on program offerings

Grof Breathwork resources – Grof breathwork offerings

Grof Breathwork – Facilitator trainings and offerings

The Way of the Psychonaut: Encyclopedia for Inner Journeys – For an in-depth dive into the work by Stan Grof, the two volume book series

Youtube Video – Tim Ferris interview with Stan Grof

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Learn how your nervous system, your mind, and your relationships work together in a fascinating dance, shaping who you are and how you connect with others.

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Attachment repair is a skill, not just insight.

Swedish clinical psychologist and SecureBase Lab founder Martin Jonsson explores how attachment healing extends beyond individual therapy and into relationships and community. Martin shares how peer support, shared experiences, and practical secure-relating skills can create opportunities for attachment repair, while exploring the roles of spirituality, sexuality, and belonging in building deeper, more secure connections.

“Community is about horizontal empathy, not hierarchy.” – Martin Jonsson

Attachment Isn’t Solo Work: Healing Through Community with Martin Jonsson (310)

02:21 Spirituality and its role in therapy

09:21 Community as a space for attachment repair

11:23 Difference between groups and communities

14:54 Horizontal empathy and attachment in community

19:56 The integration of attachment theory in recovery models

22:26 Peer support and corrective emotional experiences

25:52 Language of attachment and shared understanding

28:27 Accessibility and inclusivity in attachment work

30:44 Sexuality and attachment patterns

34:09 Impact of attachment on intimacy and boundaries

40:44 Working with unconscious shadow aspects in community

45:16 The role of mentalization and affect regulation

49:38 Resources and upcoming workshops

About our Guest – Martin Jonsson 

Martin Jonsson is a licensed clinical psychologist, educator, and founder of Secure Base Lab, an attachment-informed therapeutic community integrating attachment science, experiential psychotherapy, and relational approaches to support psychological growth and relational wellbeing. For more than twenty years, Martin has worked at the intersection of psychotherapy, education, and transformational learning. Alongside his clinical practice, he has facilitated groups, trained professionals, and designed experiential learning programs across healthcare, education, social services, and personal growth. His academic training includes degrees in Clinical Psychology and Sexology, complemented by extensive postgraduate training in attachment-based therapies, including experiential dynamic therapies, as well as supervision training. His work is further informed by contemporary attachment research, affective neuroscience, interpersonal neurobiology, and experiential psychotherapy. Today, Martin combines clinical practice, teaching, writing, and facilitation with the ongoing development of Secure Base Lab. His work is dedicated to bridging rigorous psychological science with the timeless human need for belonging, helping people move beyond understanding themselves

toward experiencing—and creating—the kinds of relationships in which lasting change becomes possible. Click Here to see Martin’s full bio. 

Resources for Attachment Isn’t Solo Work: Healing Through Community with Martin Jonsson (310)

The Secure Base Lab – Website, resources, workshops and more

@TheSecureBaseLab – Official Instagram page

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Beyond Attachment Styles –

Deepening Security in Yourself and Fostering More Secure Relationships

Course available NOW!  LIVE Q&A SEPTEMBER 25TH!

Everyone’s heard of attachment styles – but you likely don’t know how much the popular press gets wrong and what the science actually says about how to improve your relationships long term (including how we relate to ourselves).  This course is for anyone wanting to more deeply understand attachment (styles vs patterns), unconscious defense activation patterns, implicit scripts… and most importantly, what to do once you do get activated!  Online, Self-Paced, Asynchronous Learning with Quarterly Live Q&A’s! Earn 6 Continuing Education Credits – Available at Checkout.

As a listener of this podcast, use code BAS15 for a limited-time discount.

Or read Marriott & Kelley’s critically-acclaimed book, Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in an Insecure World (HarperCollins,2023) for the most in-depth experience of learning about Secure Relating.

Therapists love it, but it’s accessible to everyone.  If you aren’t interested in the background science, just start at Part 2 and we will be talking directly to you – it’s fun!

You are invited! 

OK for those of you who refer others to the pod, use it professionally or consider yourself nerdy and just love this stuff, hello, you are our people!

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What can DBT teach us about turning invalidation into joy?

Dr. Kiki Fehling and Dr. Ann Kelley explore how chronic invalidation can shape emotional regulation, identity, and self-worth, particularly for queer and trans individuals. Through the lens of DBT and minority stress, Kiki shares how understanding these experiences can help challenge internalized shame, build resilience, and move beyond simply healing – and make space for authenticity, connection, and queer joy.

“Internalized shame can be healed through community.” – Dr. Kiki Fehling

Time Stamps for DBT, Chronic Invalidation & Finding Queer Joy with Dr. Kiki Fehling (309)

00:27 Understanding chronic invalidation in parenting and garegiving

02:05 How invalidations lead to emotional dysregulation

04:37 Adult consequences of childhood invalidations

07:00 Invalidation beyond parenting: Queer identity and society

07:59 Minority stress and queer invalidations

14:51 Using DBT to cultivate joy and self-acceptance

23:06 Practical tools: Books and resources for self-directed DBT

About our Guest – Dr. Kiki Fehling

Dr. Kiki Fehling (they/she) is a licensed psychologist, author, speaker, and DBT-Linehan-Board-certified expert in Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT). Passionate about making evidence-based mental health information more accessible, Kiki focuses on advocacy and public education around suicide prevention, LGBTQIA+ mental health, borderline personality disorder, and the intersection between mental health and heart health. She is the author of The LGBTQ+ Mental Health Workbook, Self-Directed DBT Skills, and DBT Cards for Coping Skills. Kiki also writes the Substack newsletter How To Queer Joy, volunteers for nonprofits Now Matters Now and WomenHeart, and shares DBT skills and mental health resources across social media @dbtkiki. 

 

Resources for DBT, Chronic Invalidation & Finding Queer Joy with Dr. Kiki Fehling (309)

The LGBTQ+ Mental Health Workbook – Find Emotional Resilience, Self-Love, and Queer Joy with Dialectical Behavior Therapy

Self-Directed DBT Skills – 3-Month DBT Workbook

Dr. Kiki Fehling’s website – Additional resources and information

@DBTKiKi – Official Instagram page

@DBTKIKI – Official Tiktok page

DBTKIKI – Official Youtube channel

How To Queer Joy – Official Substack

Please support our sponsors – they keep our podcast free and accessible to all! 

SimplePractice is an all-in-one EHR that is HIPPA compliant, HITRUST certified and built specifically for therapists.

If you are ready to simplify the business side of your practice, now is a great time to try SimplePractice. Start with a 7-day free trial, then get 50% off your first three months. Just go to SimplePractice.com to claim the offer.

Beyond Attachment Styles –

Deepening Security in Yourself and Fostering More Secure Relationships

Course available NOW!  

Everyone’s heard of attachment styles – but you likely don’t know how much the popular press gets wrong and what the science actually says about how to improve your relationships long term (including how we relate to ourselves).  This course is for anyone wanting to more deeply understand attachment (styles vs patterns), unconscious defense activation patterns, implicit scripts… and most importantly, what to do once you do get activated!  Online, Self-Paced, Asynchronous Learning with Quarterly Live Q&A’s! Earn 6 Continuing Education Credits – Available at Checkout.

As a listener of this podcast, use code BAS15 for a limited-time discount.

Or read Marriott & Kelley’s critically-acclaimed book, Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in an Insecure World (HarperCollins,2023)

for the most in-depth experience of learning about Secure Relating.

Therapists love it, but it’s accessible to everyone.  If you aren’t interested in the background science, just start at Part 2 and we will be talking directly to you – it’s fun!

 

You are invited! 

OK for those of you who refer others to the pod, use it professionally or consider yourself nerdy and just love this stuff, hello, you are our people!

Join our exclusive community to get exclusive bonus content, early access to training opportunities, and an ad-free, private podcast feed. It’s this warm community that allows us to donate half of all corportate profits to mental health access for marginalized peoples.  Sign up for our premium Neuronerd plan!! Click here!!

Patreon/Supercast Special Release –

Bonus – Inside Mentalization-Based Treatment: Borderline & Narcissistic Personality Disorders (308)

This is a sneak peek of our 2nd episode with Robert Drozek – available only on our Premium Supercast and Patreon platforms. For as little as $5/month you can have access to special releases like this one, first-to-know about upcoming events and discounts and an ad-free feed.

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What is mentalization—and how can therapists put it into practice?

In this more clinical deep dive, Robert Drozek explores Mentalization-Based Treatment (MBT) and how strengthening our ability to understand our own and others’ inner experiences can support the treatment of borderline and narcissistic personality disorders. Sue and Robert explore the common breakdowns in mentalizing, the power of curiosity over certainty, and practical strategies clinicians can use to help clients build greater emotional awareness, empathy, and connection.

“The hallmark of mentalization is curiosity.” – Robert Drozek

Time Stamps for Bonus – Inside Mentalization-Based Treatment: Borderline & Narcissistic Personality Disorders (308)

01:20 – What is Mentalization?

02:56 – The origins of Mentalization-Based Treatment (MBT)

08:07 – Curiosity vs. certainty: What healthy mentalizing looks like

12:43 – When thoughts feel like facts: Psychic equivalence

18:14 – Certainty in Borderline Personality Disorder

19:34 – Certainty in Narcissism

20:58 – The “not-knowing” stance in MBT

26:00 – How Mentalization-Based treatment actually works

32:32 – MBT vs. DBT: What’s the difference?

35:11 – How therapists can incorporate Mentalization into practice

42:25 – Identifying Mentalizing blind spots

About our Guest – Robert P. Drozek, LICSW

Robert P. Drozek, LICSW is the clinical director of the Mentalization-Based Treatment Clinic at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts. He is a teaching associate in the Department of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, specializing in the treatment of

borderline personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, and post-traumatic stress disorder. He is author of the new book, Mentalization: Utilizing reflection to heal from borderline personality disorder—the first book for the general public about

mentalization-based treatment.

 

Resources for Bonus – Inside Mentalization-Based Treatment: Borderline & Narcissistic Personality Disorders (308)

Download page – Free worksheets and handouts from the book

Mentalization Coach App – The first mobile app for mentalization and MBT,

adapted from my new book

Mentalization-based Treatment for Pathological Narcissism – Handbook

Mentalization-based Treatment for Personality Disorders –  A practical guide

Cambridge Guide to Mentalization-based Treatment

Anna Freud Centre – The worldwide training hub for mentalization-based

treatment (MBT)

NPD Basic – A free guide to narcissistic personality disorder

MBT Boston – An organization that Robert co-founded that offers training and supervision to clinicians across the world in MBT

MBT USA – A consortium of MBT providers and organizations in the United

Robert’s faculty page at McLean Hospital

Instagram: @RobertDrozek

Mentalization book – Facebook page

Get your copy of Mentalization: Utilizing Reflection to Heal from Borderline Personality Disorder here!

 

 

Looking for our Upcoming Events? Click here!!

Our Beyond Attachment Styles course is available NOW!

Learn how your nervous system, your mind, and your relationships work together in a fascinating dance, shaping who you are and how you connect with others.

Earn 6 Continuing Education Credits – Available at Checkout

Online, Self-Paced, Asynchronous Learning with Quarterly Live Q&A’s – Next Q&A Coming September 2026!

Borderline and narcissism are often misunderstood—this episode separates myth from science.

Robert Drozek explores the science behind borderline and narcissistic personality disorders, separating common myths from current research. Together, he and Sue discuss attachment, trauma, genetics, parenting, evidence-based treatments, and why understanding these often misunderstood conditions can bring greater compassion, hope, and healthier relationships.

“Borderline is driven by a need to reconnect.” – Robert P. Drozek, LICSW

Time Stamps for Challenging Personalities: Understanding Borderline & Narcissism with Robert Drozek (307)

04:14 Understanding Borderline Personality Disorder

09:25 Exploring narcissism: Definitions and types

13:29 Vulnerable vs. grandiose narcissism

18:56 The Role of Trauma in Personality Disorders

22:25 Parenting styles and their impact on narcissism

27:14 Identifying narcissism in relationships

33:34 Treatment approaches for Borderline Personality Disorder

36:45 Challenges in treating Narcissistic Personality Disorder

45:26 Navigating relationships with narcissistic individuals

About our Guest – Robert P. Drozek, LICSW

Robert P. Drozek, LICSW is the clinical director of the Mentalization-Based Treatment Clinic at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts. He is a teaching associate in the Department of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, specializing in the treatment of

borderline personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, and post-traumatic stress disorder. He is author of the new book, Mentalization: Utilizing reflection to heal from borderline personality disorder—the first book for the general public about

mentalization-based treatment.

 

Resources for Challenging Personalities: Understanding Borderline & Narcissism with Robert Drozek (307)

Download page – Free worksheets and handouts from the book

Mentalization Coach App – The first mobile app for mentalization and MBT,

adapted from my new book

Mentalization-based Treatment for Pathological Narcissism – Handbook

Mentalization-based Treatment for Personality Disorders–  A practical guide

Cambridge Guide to Mentalization-based Treatment

Anna Freud Centre – The worldwide training hub for mentalization-based

treatment (MBT)

NPD Basic – A free guide to narcissistic personality disorder

MBT Boston – An organization that Robert co-founded that offers training and supervision to clinicians across the world in MBT

MBT USA – A consortium of MBT providers and organizations in the United

Robert’s faculty page at McLean Hospital

Instagram: @RobertDrozek

Mentalization book – Facebook page

Get your copy of Mentalization: Utilizing Reflection to Heal from Borderline Personality Disorder here!

Please support our sponsors – they keep our podcast free and accessible to all! 

SimplePractice is an all-in-one EHR that is HIPPA compliant, HITRUST certified and built specifically for therapists.

If you are ready to simplify the business side of your practice, now is a great time to try SimplePractice. Start with a 7-day free trial, then get 50% off your first three months. Just go to SimplePractice.com to claim the offer.

Beyond Attachment Styles –

Deepening Security in Yourself and Fostering More Secure Relationships

Course available NOW!  

Everyone’s heard of attachment styles – but you likely don’t know how much the popular press gets wrong and what the science actually says about how to improve your relationships long term (including how we relate to ourselves).  This course is for anyone wanting to more deeply understand attachment (styles vs patterns), unconscious defense activation patterns, implicit scripts… and most importantly, what to do once you do get activated!  Online, Self-Paced, Asynchronous Learning with Quarterly Live Q&A’s! Earn 6 Continuing Education Credits – Available at Checkout.

As a listener of this podcast, use code BAS15 for a limited-time discount.

Or read Marriott & Kelley’s critically-acclaimed book, Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in an Insecure World (HarperCollins,2023)

for the most in-depth experience of learning about Secure Relating.

Therapists love it, but it’s accessible to everyone.  If you aren’t interested in the background science, just start at Part 2 and we will be talking directly to you – it’s fun!

 

You are invited! 

OK for those of you who refer others to the pod, use it professionally or consider yourself nerdy and just love this stuff, hello, you are our people!

Join our exclusive community to get exclusive bonus content, early access to training opportunities, and an ad-free, private podcast feed. It’s this warm community that allows us to donate half of all corportate profits to mental health access for marginalized peoples.  Sign up for our premium Neuronerd plan!! Click here!!