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What if the biggest talent problem in your organisation isn't a shortage of great people — but your ability to recognise them?
In EP 191 of The Security Circle Podcast, Yoyo sits down with Jason Stockinger Award Winning CISO and author of Stop Misreading Talent: How to Lead Corporate, Veteran, and Neurodivergent Talent into High-Performing Teams for a fascinating conversation about leadership, potential, neurodiversity, curiosity and  the assumptions that can cause talented people to be overlooked.
Jason challenges the familiar moment when a candidate or colleague is dismissed because “something feels off” — even when nobody can clearly explain or measure what that something actually is. When leaders rely on instinct, familiarity and traditional ideas of what talent should look like, they risk missing extraordinary capability hiding in plain sight.
“Stay curious about people long enough to discover what you're currently missing.”
Drawing on Jason's military career, corporate leadership experience and his life as the father of a neurodivergent son, the conversation explores why great leadership requires us to stop putting people into convenient boxes and start understanding the individual in front of us. Sometimes the person isn't wrong for the organisation — they're simply sitting in the wrong seat.
And responsibility doesn't sit solely with leaders. For anyone who knows they have more to offer but feels unseen, Jason leaves us with something practical:
“If you think you're being misread at work, find a mentor and get closer to the people doing what you want to do.”
His message is simple: seek out people you admire, learn from them, get into the environments where you want to grow and make your potential easier to see.
This is a conversation about replacing judgement with curiosity, recognising potential over familiarity, and asking a question every leader should probably ask themselves:
How much great talent have I already overlooked because I didn't recognise it when it was standing in front of me?
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EP 190: The Chainsaw Is Already on the Legal Ladder with Quentin Solt
“Who has more experience, the internet or a single individual lawyer?”
That question tells you almost everything you need to know about this extraordinary conversation with lawyer, investor and provocative thinker Quentin Salt.
Quentin doesn't believe AI is simply going to make lawyers more efficient. His prediction is considerably more disruptive:
“We are heading to the extinction of lawyers as we know them.”
And his metaphor for what is already happening inside the profession is unforgettable. Young lawyers are using AI to automate the repetitive work traditionally performed at the bottom of the legal ladder. They have climbed up, reached back down and started cutting away those rungs themselves — without necessarily noticing that the rungs above them may be disappearing too.
But this episode quickly becomes about far more than lawyers.
Quentin and Yoyo explore what happens when expertise becomes available as a utility; whether AI could have a legitimate role in dispensing justice; what happens to education when traditional professional careers begin disappearing; and why technological progress forces us to reconsider the relationship between work, wealth, purpose and human value.
There is also a fascinating tension at the heart of the conversation. Quentin can envisage AI making decisions faster and potentially more consistently than humans, yet argues that justice must retain something profoundly human: grace. An AI system can preserve an extraordinary record of our past, but Quentin warns that such a record risks showing what we have been rather than what we may become.
From AI judges and disappearing professions to universal income, human nature, identity assurance and the future of biometrics, this is one of those Security Circle conversations that refuses to stay neatly inside one subject.
The chainsaw isn't coming.
Quentin's argument is that it's already on the ladder.
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🎙 EP 189: The Trust Advantage – How Influence Beats Authority
What separates good security leaders from truly exceptional ones?
In this thought-provoking conversation, Nathan Mills, Global Head of Security at Brinks, shares a leadership philosophy built not on authority, but on trust, influence and curiosity. From technical surveillance countermeasures and diplomatic security to leading global teams at GE, Zoom and Brinks, Nathan explains why today's most effective security professionals are those who can connect people, build relationships and inspire action rather than simply direct it.
At the heart of the discussion is a powerful idea: ownership isn't as important as influence. Great leaders don't need to control every decision or claim every success. Instead, they create the conditions for others to succeed, recognising that collaboration will always outperform hierarchy.
Nathan also explores why growth never happens inside our comfort zone. Whether taking on new leadership roles, relocating around the world or stepping into unfamiliar challenges, every stage of his career has reinforced the belief that resilience is earned through experience, curiosity and a willingness to embrace discomfort.
The conversation also explores servant leadership, empathy, trust, AI, physical and cyber security convergence, mentoring and the future of leadership in an increasingly technology-driven world. Along the way, Nathan offers practical advice on building trust, managing diverse teams, influencing without authority and remaining authentic in an industry that often rewards certainty over vulnerability.
This isn't simply a conversation about protecting organisations. It's a masterclass in leading people.
If you believe leadership is measured by the number of people who work for you, think again. Nathan Mills makes the case that the greatest leaders are remembered not for the authority they held, but for the influence they had. 
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Nathan Mills came into corporate security through the normal channel of an electrical engineering degree and the Foreign Service. (Ha!).  He leads with empathy, kindness, and a directness that helps his team understand the role risk management plays in enabling the business to thrive.  After leaving the Foreign Service, Nathan led security operations in diverse companies like GE and Zoom and recently landed in Brink's as the Global Head of Security.  He is navigating this crazy world with his lovely wife and two young sons.  They love being outside (even when it feels like 115 degrees F in Dallas!), exploring new foods and cultures, and is driven by faith.  Say hello to him when you see him.

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EP 188: Protecting the World's Imagination
What does it take to protect one of the world's most iconic brands?
In this episode of The Security Circle Podcast, I sit down with Perry Curtis, Senior Security Manager at LEGO, for a conversation that goes far beyond bricks and minifigures.
We explore how security protects creativity without getting in its way, why trust is embedded into LEGO's DNA, and what it really means to safeguard one of the most recognisable brands on the planet. From intellectual property and insider risk to global supply chains, cyber security and the challenge of balancing openness with protection, Perry offers a fascinating behind-the-scenes look at security inside a company built on imagination.
Along the way we discover the remarkable story of how LEGO began, why a simple whiteboard can become a security risk, how a single brick made over 60 years ago still connects perfectly with one made today, and why sometimes the most important thing security protects isn't a product—it's the magic that surrounds it.
Whether you're a security professional, a leader, or simply someone who has ever built a LEGO set, this episode is a reminder that the very best security often works quietly in the background, enabling innovation, protecting trust and preserving the moments that inspire us.
Because sometimes, protecting the world's imagination is the most important job of all.

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What happens when a successful, intelligent and independent professional becomes the target of an organised criminal network?
In this deeply personal and thought-provoking episode of The Security Circle Podcast, Yolanda welcomes fraud survivor, author and cyber fraud advocate Debbie Fox to share the extraordinary story of how an online relationship turned into a sophisticated romance fraud.
Debbie explains how criminals patiently built trust over weeks of daily conversations, convincing video calls and carefully crafted stories that appeared completely legitimate. Despite carrying out checks, verifying information and trusting her instincts, she found herself manipulated by highly skilled psychological tactics designed to exploit empathy rather than technology.
Together, Yolanda and Debbie explore why anyone with a digital device can become a target, how organised fraud networks weaponise trust, and why victim blaming remains one of the biggest barriers to reporting these crimes. Debbie also shares the devastating aftermath of fraud, from navigating complex reporting systems to discovering just how difficult it can be to recover financially and emotionally.
The conversation follows Debbie's remarkable journey from victim to activist, discussing how she channelled her experience into writing four books, educating financial institutions, law enforcement and policymakers, and campaigning for better protection and support for fraud victims.
This is far more than a story about romance fraud. It is a powerful discussion about human psychology, social engineering, resilience and the responsibility we all share in recognising that cybercrime increasingly targets people before it targets technology.
Whether you work in cyber security, policing, financial services, risk management, or simply want to better protect yourself and those you care about, this episode offers invaluable insights into one of today's fastest-growing global threats.
In this episode you'll discover:
How organised criminals build trust through psychological manipulation.
Why intelligent, successful people are just as vulnerable to sophisticated fraud.
The warning signs that families and friends should never ignore.
What happens after the fraud is discovered and why reporting remains so challenging.
How Debbie transformed personal tragedy into a global mission to raise awareness and improve support for victims.
Practical advice to help recognise and reduce the risks of online fraud.
EP 187: The Cost of Trust is a compelling reminder that while technology continues to evolve, our greatest vulnerability—and our greatest strength—will always be human trust.
If the episode title grabs people's attention, this summary reinforces why they should invest the next hour listening. I think it's one of the strongest episode summaries you've produced this year.
Security Circle ⭕️  is an IFPOD production for IFPO the International Foundation of Protection Officers