Billions of dollars are flowing into a new tax strategy known as ETF swap funds, which critics say allow the ultra-wealthy to avoid capital gains tax, legally. The strategy has drawn attention from lawmakers and some academics for testing the limits of existing tax law. In this episode of Bite-Sized Business Law, host Amy Martella speaks with Jeffrey Colon, a professor at Fordham Law whose research focuses on tax and financial law. Jeff is the author of the forthcoming DePaul Law Review article, ‘The Black Hole of Capital Gains: ETF Swap Funds’, examining how ETF swap funds exploit long-standing provisions of the tax code. The conversation begins with a clear explanation of why ETFs are often more tax-efficient than mutual funds. Jeff then breaks down how Section 852(b)(6) allows ETFs to distribute appreciated securities without triggering tax at the fund level, and how techniques like heartbeat trades magnify that benefit. From there, he explains the rise of Section 351 swap funds, which allow investors with highly appreciated stock to diversify while deferring capital gains. Amy and Jeff close by discussing who benefits from these strategies, why they raise fairness concerns, and what recent proposals from Senator Ron Wyden could mean for future reform. Listen in for a comprehensive look at this consequential tax issue and the questions it raises going forward.
Key Points From This Episode: Introducing Jeffrey Colon and his research focus. The billions of dollars flowing into ETF swap funds and why they have drawn scrutiny. How ETFs differ from mutual funds in structure and trading mechanics. Why ETFs are widely viewed as more tax-efficient than mutual funds. Section 852(b)(6) and how it provides an advantage to ETFs. How heartbeat trades move gains out of ETFs without triggering tax. The rise of tax-motivated ETFs over the past year and a half. What Section 351 swap funds are and how they operate. Using swap funds to diversify appreciated stock without selling. Why these strategies primarily benefit ultra-wealthy investors. Concerns about fairness and turning income tax into a consumption tax. Senator Ron Wyden and his proposed legislative responses. IRS limits and why congressional action may be required. Risks to the tax system if ETF swap funds continue to expand.
Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:
Jeff Colon Jeff Colon on LinkedIn ‘The Black Hole of Capital Gains: ETF Swap Funds’ Ron Wyden Fordham University School of Law Corporate Law Center
Disclosureland: How Corporate Words Constrain Racial Progress
06/1/2026 | 31min
Corporate statements about race have become commonplace, yet they often deliver far less than they promise. In this episode of Bite-Sized Business Law, host Amy Martella speaks with Atinuke Adediran, Professor of Law at Fordham Law School, about her book Disclosureland: How Corporate Words Constrain Racial Progress. Drawing on research at the intersection of business, law, and society, Professor Adediran examines how corporate disclosures shape public understanding of racial inequality, and how companies frequently treat public statements as a stand-in for real action. The conversation addresses the surge of corporate commitments following the murder of George Floyd in 2020, when companies rapidly issued public statements on racial equity after years of relative silence. Professor Adediran introduces the idea of race-conscious image construction, explaining how companies use these statements to build reputations that benefit them, even when meaningful follow-through is limited. The episode also explores the growing pattern of companies revising or removing earlier commitments amid political and legal pressure, a process Professor Adediran calls race-conscious retraction. She closes by explaining why racial progress cannot rely on corporate speech alone and why stronger oversight and accountability remain essential. Listen to the full conversation for a clear, timely examination of how corporate words can shape and limit racial progress. Key Points From This Episode: What inspired Disclosureland and Professor Adediran’s research into the inauthenticity of corporate language and its impact on racial progress. An overview of the wave of corporate statements after George Floyd’s murder. Examining how rare public disclosures about race were before 2020. The kinds of racial commitments companies began making during this period. Why companies turned to disclosure as a response to public and employee pressure. Defining “race-conscious image construction” and its role in corporate reputation. How racial disclosures can boost reputation without actually changing internal practices. The problem of pledges made without context, history, or measurable grounding. How companies use past statements to block shareholder audits and scrutiny. Introducing “race-conscious retraction” and what it looks like in practice. Political and legal pressures driving companies to revise or erase commitments. How empty commitments and later retraction actively constrain racial progress. Why federal government involvement is essential for accountability and racial progress. Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Atinuke Adediran Atinuke Adediran on LinkedIn Atinuke Adediran | Fordham Law School Disclosureland: How Corporate Words Constrain Racial Progress Amelia Martella on LinkedIn Fordham University School of Law Corporate Law Center
When Companies Act Like Countries: Inside Corporate Power and the Politics of Change
16/12/2025 | 36min
What happens when corporations start to look and act more like states, including jumping into political debates and providing services that we traditionally expect from government? Matteo Gatti, professor of business law at Rutgers Law School, unpacks his new book, Corporate Power and the Politics of Change, the culmination of years studying how business decisions interact with democratic institutions and social movements. Matteo discusses the history of the corporation from early state-serving charters and infrastructure projects to today’s corporate responsibility debates and culture wars. Matteo introduces his concept of “corporate governing” and explains how corporate speech and corporate action now interact with politics and social movements. The conversation also delves into the incentives and risks for companies that enter into socio-political advocacy, the democratic and institutional costs of relying on corporations to fill public gaps, and why standard corporate governance tools are a poor fit for public governance. Join the conversation to find out what lies ahead for the corporate landscape and what corporate power looks like when companies start acting like countries. Tune in now! Key Points From This Episode: How Professor Gatti became interested in the intersection of corporate power and politics. The evolution of corporations and the role they played in providing public functions. Hear how a shift in expectations caused companies to engage with socio-economic issues. Learn what “corporate governing” is and the interplay between corporations and government. Key drivers behind the rise in corporate advocacy and the cost of remaining silent. What changes in politics have created a backlash against corporate responsibility. Explore whether corporate governance is good for democracy and public governance. Unpack the undemocratic nature of corporate decision-making and its impact on politics. Why government solutions are more general, stable, and durable than corporate initiatives. His critique of leveraging tools from corporate governance for solving socio-economic issues. Lessons about the importance of authenticity, stakeholder expectations, and political risk. Professor Gatti’s future outlook and his proposals for revitalizing public governance. Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Professor Matteo Gatti Professor Matteo Gatti on LinkedIn Corporate Power and the Politics of Change European Corporate Governance Institute (ECGI) Fordham University School of Law Corporate Law Center
The BitLicense Architect on How It All Began and Where It's All Headed for Crypto Regulation
09/12/2025 | 41min
Effective regulation is essential for cryptocurrency to develop successfully! Today, we are joined by New York State’s first Superintendent of Financial Services and the CEO of the Lawsky Group, Benjamin Lawsky, to discuss how the regulatory landscape has evolved since the early days of crypto and where he sees Bitcoin heading next. Tuning in, you’ll hear all about Benjamin’s interesting career, how it led him to where he is today, his initial reaction to the concept of the BitLicense, how the regulations were written, and more. We delve into what the BitLicense is and why it’s important before discussing state versus federal regulation and how regulation has become more challenging over time. Benjamin even tells us how he keeps up with an industry that evolves so quickly. Finally, our guest tells us how he sees crypto evolving in the near future. To hear all this and be inspired to always say yes in the early stages of your career, be sure to press play now! Key Points From This Episode: An introduction to today’s guest, Benjamin Lawsky, and an overview of his career. He tells us what he was doing when the idea of a BitLicense arose and his involvement. What the BitLicense is, what it does, and the process of writing the regulations. How the stakes have risen for regulation over time, and state vs. federal regulation. Benjamin explains how he bridges the expertise void in crypto as a regulator. Why he loves working with students and the power of always saying yes. How Benjamin sees cryptocurrency evolving in the near future. He shares his advice for young lawyers who are interested in this space. Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Benjamin Lawsky on LinkedIn Benjamin Lawsky in X The Lawsky Group NYDIG Amelia Martella on LinkedIn Fordham University School of Law Corporate Law Center
Startups Start Here: Behind the Scenes of the Entrepreneurial Law Clinic: Katherine Hughes, Kathryn Berman, Liam Keane
25/11/2025 | 19min
What does it actually look like when law students become the primary lawyers for real-world startups and mission-driven businesses? In this episode, host Amelia Martella goes behind the scenes of the Entrepreneurial Law Clinic at Fordham Law School to explore how experiential learning prepares students for high-stakes corporate practice while serving New York’s entrepreneurial community. Amelia sits down with Professor Katherine Hughes, director of the Entrepreneurial Law Clinic, and clinic students Kathryn Berman and Liam Keane, who are all currently working with real founders on real legal problems. Together, they delve into what a law clinic is, how the Entrepreneurial Law Clinic differs from traditional litigation-focused offerings, and how corporate and transactional work can be leveraged as a powerful pro bono tool to support low-income and mission-driven organizations. They also explore real-world examples, common startup pitfalls, how the clinic manages client expectations, and Professor Hughes’ approach to supervising students. Join the conversation to hear how the Entrepreneurial Law Clinic is shaping future big-law associates and expanding access to legal support for small businesses. Tune in now! Key Points From This Episode: Discover what a law clinic is and how it supports the entrepreneurial community. The Entrepreneurial Law Clinic (ELC) at Fordham and what sets it apart from other clinics. Kathryn and Liam share what drew them to the ELC and how the experience is structured. Example of how the ELC is helping an entrepreneur to overcome the typical startup pitfalls. Hear about the common challenges and hurdles of working with entrepreneurs and startups. Learn about the expected time horizons and how transitioning students is handled. Professor Hughes’ approach to teaching students and working with entrepreneurs. How clients are selected and vetted through cold emails, legal services, and incubators. What Professor Hughes finds most rewarding about her pro-bono work and corporate law. Find out what motivates Professor Hughes and how students benefit from law clinics. Kathryn and Liam’s biggest takeaways from their time working with Professor Hughes. Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Katherine Hughes on LinkedIn Kathryn Berman on LinkedIn Liam Keane on LinkedIn Lincoln Square Legal Services Inc. Fordham University | Entrepreneurial Law Clinic (ELC) FrameShare Communitas Ventures Amelia Martella on LinkedIn Fordham University School of Law Corporate Law Center
Looking for the latest in legal business news? Get a breakdown of the top stories in business law from industry leaders on the front lines with Bite-Sized Business Law. Host Amy Martella takes a closer look at the latest corporate happenings through interviews with the attorneys, legal experts, public figures, and scholars behind the news to distill business law’s biggest stories into bite-sized portions. This is your chance to go further into the world of business law and stay up to date with legal cases and industry trends. Corporations impact us all, leading changes that extend far beyond business to shape the economy, public policy, technology, and beyond. Looking at the big picture, Amy discusses not only the underlying issues in business ethics and legal cases leading the biggest stories but also sparks thought-provoking discussions on where the law should be headed. Amy is the Executive Director of the Corporate Law Center at Fordham University School of Law. Her background ranges from big law to government to tech startups, allowing her to offer an insider’s perspective of the issues that shape corporate actions, large and small. Covering crypto regulation to securities fraud, AI’s impact to Elon Musk’s pay package, Bite-Sized Business Law covers it all with guests of varying viewpoints to provide the nuanced analysis needed to tackle complex problems. Whether you're looking for the latest in legal insight on intellectual property, mergers and acquisitions, business ethics or legal cases in the business law world, you’ll find it here. Enjoying a thoughtful perspective on the news stories of the moment, Bite-Sized Business Law examines big issues and delivers them in small doses. Bite-Sized Business Law is a project by the Corporate Law Center at Fordham Law. The Center serves as a hub for scholars, professionals, policymakers, and students to engage in the study, discussion, and debate of current issues in corporate law. The Center focuses on aspects of corporate law, corporate compliance, antitrust law, and securities regulation. Through initiatives like the Mergers and Acquisitions seminar and the Securities Litigation and Arbitration Clinic, students actively engage in real-world research and cases, bridging the gap between classroom learning and practical application in the legal field.