The Dave Gerhardt Show (from Exit Five)

#344 | Dave sits down with Katelyn Bourgoin, founder of Unignorable, to talk about the one strategic move most B2B marketers overlook: owning an idea so tied to you that it sounds like an echo coming from anyone else. Katelyn breaks down the six types of ownable ideas, from coined categories to named problems to X vs. Y frameworks, and walks through how to find the central argument your brand should be built on. They also get into why category creation isn't always the answer, what made "conversational marketing" work at Drift, and why ownable ideas matter more now than ever.

Timestamps

(00:00) - - Intro and Dave recaps the Exit Five Marketing Leadership Retreat

(03:27) - - Katelyn introduces the concept of ownable ideas

(07:58) - - Katelyn's background: failed startup, buyer psychology, and finding her niche

(10:45) - - What an ownable idea actually is (and why it's not category creation)

(13:00) - - The 6 types of ownable ideas with examples

(18:39) - - How to find your central argument (the webinar software example)

(21:20) - - Katelyn breaks down Dave's own central argument back to him

(26:48) - - The chocolate covered almond analogy

(28:49) - - How Dave extracted the ownable idea at Drift

(30:12) - - Why the founder has to own marketing (and what to do if they don't)

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#343 | In this session from Drive 2025 titled “Building Pipeline in the Shiny Object Era”, Jen Allen Knuth unpacks why deals stall even when your product is objectively better, how the explosion of shiny tools and AI noise is making it worse, and why most teams are unintentionally fueling the problem with me-centric messaging. Jen shares the two zero-dollar exercises every team should run to quantify how much pipeline they’re losing today, align sales and marketing around the true blocker, and rebuild outbound messaging that creates curiosity.

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Head over to exitfive.com/drive to grab your ticket. 

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#342 | Recorded live at Exit Five's Marketing Leadership Retreat, this episode features Dave Kellogg sharing his framework for being the CMO everyone wants to work with. Dave draws on 12 years as a CMO across three companies, two CEO stints, and ten board seats to cover CMO failure archetypes, how to build a real partnership with your CRO, and why internal marketing is just as important as running marketing. Last time we had Dave on the podcast it was one of the most downloaded episodes of all-time, and this one is even better. Get your notebook read.
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Knak - A no-code, campaign creation platform that lets you go from idea to on-brand email and landing pages in minutes, using AI where it actually matters. Learn more at knak.com/exitfive.
Convertr - The enterprise lead data management platform that sits between your lead sources and your CRM, automatically validating, enriching, and standardizing every lead before it touches your systems. Check them out at convertr.io/exitfive.

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#341 | In this Exit Five Live session, Cindy Dubon (Director of Growth Marketing, Goldcast), Kelly Arndt (Sr. Demand Gen Manager, Vector), Jeremy Chung (Founder and CEO, Ads by Jer), Tess Pfeifle (Associate Director of Marketing, AirVet), and Richard Meyer (Director of GTM and Growth, GoHappy) each break down a real ad campaign — the channel, the creative, the targeting, the spend, and the results. From influencer-led LinkedIn thought leader ads and CTV surround sound campaigns, to direct mail sequences, conference plays without a booth, and multi-channel signal-based targeting, these are campaigns you can actually steal from. Co-hosted by Jess Cook, VP Marketing at Vector.

Ad campaigns linked here.
Timestamps

(00:00) - Intro and why real examples beat LinkedIn theory

(06:15) - Session format and how to participate

(08:07) - Cindy Dubon: $8K influencer campaign that generated $700K in pipeline

(16:05) - Kelly Arndt: B2B surround sound with CTV, YouTube, and LinkedIn

(24:56) - Jeremy Chung: Direct mail plus retargeting to book VC meetings

(32:36) - Tess Pfeifle: Conference play with no booth and 2,000% ROI

(39:31) - Richard Meyer: How GoHappy stopped overspending on LinkedIn

(48:06) - Rapid fire Q&A with all five marketers

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#340 | Dave sits down with Kipp Bodnar, CMO of HubSpot, to talk about the journey from running a company blog to leading marketing at a $2B business. Kipp started at HubSpot in 2010 when it was doing $10M in revenue and grew the blog from 200k to 1M monthly uniques before taking on more and more of the marketing function. They get into how to set big goals and work backwards from them, how to move fast without losing focus, and the mindset shift that separates individual contributors from marketing leaders. 

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Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.
Consensus - An AI-powered interactive demo platform that lets you put personalized, self-serve demos on your site to turn anonymous researchers into high-intent leads. Learn more at goconsensus.com/exitfive.
Knak - A no-code, campaign creation platform that lets you go from idea to on-brand email and landing pages in minutes, using AI where it actually matters. Learn more at knak.com/exitfive.
Convertr - The enterprise lead data management platform that sits between your lead sources and your CRM, automatically validating, enriching, and standardizing every lead before it touches your systems. Check them out at convertr.io/exitfive.

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