The Endurance Experience Podcast

A conversation with Edzard Ernst, M.D., PhD co-author of the book Trick or Treatment, The undeniable Facts about Alternative Medicine. He's a long time physician that has decades of experience as a doctor and also as a researcher. He has served as chairman of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation (PMR) at the University of Vienna. He became director of complementary medicine of the Peninsula Medical School (PMS) in 2002. His writing appeared in a regular column in The Guardian, where he reviewed news stories about complementary medicine from an evidence-based medicine perspective.

Dr. Ernst discusses his history and his evolution away from alternative medicine after a long period of research and discovery.

We talk about what's called Naturopathy and it's fundamental claims and where such practitioners have gone array.

We have an exchange about the "Placebo Effect" and Dr. Ernst gives his response to the common retort that the Placebo Effect is "Still an Effect".

We talk about some of the commonly utilized modalities in health and fitness including acupuncture and cupping, their foundations and what does the imperical evidence show in regards to them.

Finally we discuss science, the scientific method and Dr. Ernst Gives his perspective on the argument that science can often "get things wrong".

Edzard Ernst, M.D., PhD
https://edzardernst.com/

Trick or Treatment
https://a.co/d/0memoft

https://www.hive.co.uk/Product/Dr-Dr-Simon-Singh/Trick-or-Treatment--Alternative-Medicine-on-Trial/1382322

A conversation with Dean Karnazes, ultra-marathon runner, and author. Among many accomplishments he holds the record for the longest continuous run of 350 miles in 80 hours and 44 minutes without sleep, and winner of the Badwater 135 milre run in Death Valley California. His first book, Ultramarathon Man: Confessions of an All-Night Runner, details his ultra endurance running origins and accomplishments. He's since written 4 more books including 50/50 which details the secrets he's learned in running 50 marathons in 50 states, in 50 days.

We talk about his origin story and the books he's written about running. We discuss his running accomplishments including the 350 mile consecutive run, Badwater and the 50 marathons in 50 states in 50 days.

We have an exhange about the boom we've seen in marathon running over the last 5-10 years and I get Dean's perspective on what's fueling it.

We talk about the often oversold adverse effects of running and whether or not he's experienced any of them in the 30 years of running long distance.

We talk about what he's doing now, what he's doing next, and what he's doing with Greek Running Tours.

Finally I ask Dean about his legacy and whether or not he thinks about his place in the annals of ultra marathon running.

About Dean Karnazes 
https://ultramarathonman.com/

Dean Karnazes Books:

Ultra-Marathon Man
https://a.co/d/cPlCxAa

Run!
https://a.co/d/4CCSguM

Runners High
https://a.co/d/gsb1Elz

50/50
https://a.co/d/5lUa0ar

The Road to Sparta
https://a.co/d/aOfOZhg

Greek Running Tours
https://www.greekrunningtours.com/

Dean on Instagram
https://instagram.com/ultramarathon

UltraMarathon Man: 50 Marathons • 50 States • 50 Days Documentary
https://youtu.be/bpjRFkqTIkY?si=_R5lAQ5teaCk0kNN

A conversation with Aron D'Souza, PhD. He is the President of the Enhanced Games. The Enhanced Games are a privately funded sporting body that seeks to allow athletes to compete under performance enhancement under lucrative compensation arrangements.

Dr. D'Souza discusses the main proposition and goals of the Enhanced Games and he provides his position on the conflicts of interests that exist in traditional sport.

We talk about the recent world record that was broken by Kristian Gkolomeev in the 50 meter freestyle and the potential for athletes to reap prize money for reaching world records.

We discuss the degree and prevalence of enhancement in existing sport.

Finally Dr. D'Souza lays out his thoughts about the future of sport and were Enhanced Games will be in just a few years.

About Aron D'Souza, PhD:
https://arondsouza.com/

About Enhanced: 
https://www.enhanced.com/
https://www.enhanced.com/the-team

Enhanced on Instagram
@enhanced_games

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A conversation with running legend Amby Burfoot. Amby Burfoot stands as a titan in the running world. Crowned the Boston Marathon champion in 1968, he became the first collegian to win this prestigious event and the first American to claim the title since John Kelley in 1957.

As well as a stellar racing career of over 62 years, Amby channeled his passion for running into journalism. He joined Runner’s World magazine in 1978, rising to the position of Editor-in-Chief and then serving as its Editor-at-Large.

As well as being the author of several books on running, he regularly contributes articles to major publications, and curates his weekly Run Long, Run Healthy Newsletter.  

We talk about his origin story and the early relationships he cultivated with other notable runners like John J. Kelly the younger, and Bill Rogers.

We discuss the recent performances and new world records coming from the professional marathon field and Amby gives his perspectives on what's driving the performance, and he discusses his skepticism with the authenticity of some of the recent performance given the possibility and prevalence of performance enhancement substances.

We talk about the heightened popularity of running and Amby gives his advice to runners looking to perform, enjoy the sport recreationally, enhance general health and increase longevity in the sport.

About Amby Burfoot on Marathon Handbook: https://marathonhandbook.com/author/amby/ 

Amby Burfoot's Run Long, Run Healthy Newsletter: https://marathonhandbook.com/run-long-run-healthy-newsletter/

Amby's Books on Running: https://www.ambyburfoot.com/p/buy-autographed-book.html

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A conversation with Paul Holborn. He is a former boxer and winner of the 2025 World Marathon Challenge which is running 7 marathons on 7 continents in 7 days. Paul Holborn didn’t go into the event to win, but after about 5 days Paul emerged as the men’s winner, completing the 777 in an average time of 3:22:36.  

We talk about his background as a boxer and the inspiring story of what eventually drove him to consider attempting the World Marathon Challenge, and the support he received from his family after taking the physical and financial leap.  

We discuss Paul’s training approaching leading up to the 777 and the amount of training volume he peaked at to prepare, including his level of confidence going into Antarctica.  

We talk about Paul’s fueling and sleep protocol going into the event and how well it worked. Paul discusses what he believes it was that helped him in the end.  

Paul talks through each leg of the event, some of the high points and lower points and where along the way did the possibility he could win come into mind.  

Finally Paul talks about what the future holds for his athletic pursuits.    

Paul Holborn Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pauly_holborn  

Paul Holborn BBC Article 
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgp43emvd0o.amp  

Paul Holborn NYT Article
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6164653/2025/03/01/seven-marathons-seven-days-seven-continents/  

About the World Marathon Challenge
https://www.worldmarathonchallenge.com/  

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